War is dead; we killed it

War is dead; we killed it. But in its place, no eternal peace has arisen. In its place, an endless “non-war” has emerged.
Today, I propose discussing a pressing contemporary issue in international law. Since this is an international forum, I think it would be very interesting to hear the positions of participants from different countries. Important: Let’s avoid insults directed at political figures, focus on the facts and legally significant circumstances, and together seek practical steps to resolve the problem.

INTRODUCTION:

Before the creation of the UN (after World War II), war was a legitimate attribute of sovereignty (jus ad bellum). A state could declare war as naturally as terminating a trade agreement. The UN Charter (Article 2(4)) prohibited not “war” as a term, but “the threat or use of force.”

The term International Armed Conflict (IAC) was introduced within the framework of the 1949 Geneva Conventions. The essence of the reform was precisely to move away from the subjective recognition of war and introduce certain “objective criteria.” Now, if soldiers from country A cross the border of country B and engage in combat, this is objectively an IAC, even if both sides claim to be “best friends” or conduct “exercises.”

UN General Assembly Resolution 3314 (1974) defined the concept of “aggression”:
Article 3 lists actions that qualify as an act of aggression, regardless of whether war has been declared:

  1. Invasion or attack by armed forces;
  2. Bombardment or use of weapons against territory;
  3. Blockade of ports or coasts;
  4. Sending “armed bands, groups, irregular forces, or mercenaries.”

WHY “WAR” HAS BECOME UNPROFITABLE:

Today, as soon as a state officially declares war, it de jure recognizes the existence of a state of war. In the modern world, this automatically makes the initiator subject to prosecution under the Rome Statute of the ICC.

In contracts, “war” is written into a classic force majeure. This allows for the legal interruption of supplies, the avoidance of penalties, or the termination of long-term obligations. Insurance premiums for shipping, aviation, and logistics in a “war” zone skyrocket or are completely eliminated.

For a state, belligerent status can mean technical default or blocked access to international credit lines (IMF, World Bank).

According to classical international law (the Hague Conventions of 1907), if “war” is declared, other countries are obligated to maintain neutrality. Neutral countries have no right to supply weapons, provide their ports, or extend credit to belligerents. Today, states benefit from receiving military assistance from their allies. If a conflict is recognized as a “war,” the allies would formally become violators of neutrality. This explains why today’s “victims of the aggressor” are reluctant to call a war “war.”

The Geneva Conventions formally apply in any conflict; the lack of an official “war” status allows states to speculate on the status of detainees. For example, calling them “terrorists” or “unlawful combatants” rather than “prisoners of war” in order to deprive them of certain legal guarantees.

As a result, calling a war “war” is shooting oneself in the foot.

WHAT ARE THE POWERFUL DOING?

The “powerful” exploit legal loopholes that allow them to resort to violence while formally remaining within the bounds of international law.

Article 51 of the UN Charter permits force only in the event of an armed attack. Powerful players have expanded this concept: they argue that one cannot wait for an attack, but must strike first if the threat is “imminent.”

The following logic is also often used: If state A claims that terrorists are based on the territory of state B, and state B is unable or unwilling to eliminate them, then state A has the “right” to invade for its own security.

We also all know about “proxy wars,” support for the opposition, defense against ethnic genocide, etc.

Those who wield real military power today use the following terms instead of the word “war”:

  • special military operation;
  • humanitarian intervention;
  • peacekeeping mission;
  • counterterrorism;
  • preventive self-defense;
  • peace enforcement operation.

WHAT TO DO?
I wonder: has the prohibition of war made modern conflicts less defined and less regulated?

War used to be declared, with a beginning and an end… Today, we increasingly encounter situations where military action is waged, territories are destroyed, thousands of people die, yet states avoid legally recognizing the very fact of war. We also see double standards in the application of law at the UN, and yet, even this doesn’t prevent permanent members from vetoing it.

Do you think this whole game and farce in international law really matters to humanity? Is there a pressing need to reform international legal institutions? How can we (really) limit the actions of powerful players? And what solutions do you personally envision?

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There’s been a very big upsurge in casualties of conflict in the last 15 years, primarily due to conflict in Ukraine, the Middle East, and Africa. Also the Trump administration’s disregard of international conventions and the contempt with which it views the United Nations and the NATO alliance are de-stabilizing factors.

But what can be done about it is the difficult question. This is why the League of Nations and then the United Nations were set up in the first place, but without the support and cooperation of all the power players on the world stage, they’re going to be a paper tiger at best.

So I don’t know if the absence of formal declarations of war have ‘killed’ war. It’s more than they’ve become de-centralised and anarchic. The dreadful slaughter and mass starvation in Sudan as a consequence of conflict between government and mercenary armies is a tragic case in point. Myanmar is another. There seems no government or organisation that has the least influence over ending those conflicts. The Ukraine invasion is in its fourth year with still no sign of resolution. These are all either wars or armed conflicts, and there’s no sign of them dying down anytime soon.

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How many times have wars been declared with a scheduled endpoint? There have been various decades-long wars and the shorter WWI, II, Korea, Vietnam, etc. The wars came to an end because one side was defeated. It doesn’t make much difference to a war’s recipients whether it was declared or not.

States may be shy about legalities, but the two vital features of war – cost and death – are taken seriously. If, that is, the state is being run by rational people, which isn’t always the case.

What seems to have kept the industrialized nations sort of at peace for the last 80 years is a balance of power among potential adversaries – though maintaining that balance – or mutual deterrence – has been extraordinarily expensive, and the strategy isn’t guaranteed to work indefinitely.

Enduring peace would be nice, but I don’t have a lot of hope. What makes for a high-wire balance of mutual deterrence is precisely what makes mutual annihilation an enduring threat.

In an epoch of global warming, increased fresh water scarcity, unstable weather and rapidly changing climate, always-looming agricultural disasters, ocean changes (and decreased production in fisheries), etc. etc. etc. – it is already the case that people are – and will be – fighting to survive. No peace, then.

Coming to think of it, World War One was quickly declared to be ‘the war that ends all wars’ after the Armistice.

We know how that panned out.

You might want to read the OP:

Yes I see your point. It is Orwellian.

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Philosophy of law and war.

Law, whether local or global, matters to humanity. The question is if it is based on human morals which include rights and care of all beings and resources to encourage wellbeing and to discourage harm.

When it comes to ‘war’ - changing its definition does not ‘kill’ it or lessen its real-life effects.
Just as any concept e.g. ‘poverty’.

It would seem that international legal institutions or structures are being ‘reformed’, even as we speak. By the powerful aggressors who disregard and do not recognise morality or legality other than their own.

We can call them ‘war criminals’ no matter the definition they claim for ‘war’ or ‘genocide’: Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations

When rogue nations with criminals at the helm upend legality, destroy civilisations - people and society - what can be done? When and how? Now and with intent?

We will always struggle to come to terms with war and its effects.

The increasing levels of ‘acceptable’ violence by rule-breaking tyrants who curtail the freedom of others - ‘patriots’ now deemed ‘traitors’ according to their new ‘laws’ of revenge and vengeance.

War includes battles of words.

The use and manipulation of language to create chaos and division. To encourage disrespect and hatred of others.

What and where are the limits and tolerance of violence. Who gets to decide? How is injustice inflicted and maintained even when there is a legal system in place?

What are the main flaws of laws?
What should the aim of legislation be? Of what use if not recognised?

What happens when powerful law-makers and breakers are not held to account for injustice?

I don’t envisage any solutions. I’m only thinking aloud…

The aim is for justice and to deter conflict. To defend innocent victims against wrongful aggression. To minimise harm.

To counteract the detrimental effects of ‘religion’ as a tool in war. The wrongful appeals to sacred texts or church dogmas.

Question the acceptance of authoritative religious practices or laws which permit or encourage wrong acts.

What prevents a change to include recent, relevant science to enhance life of, and for, all?
Is it fear - too much of a threat to status quo?

Replace ignorance with knowledge.

Stop the destruction and regression of human and civic rights.

Give as much, if not more, credence to the secular.

Do we need a re-write? A re-build?
Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Words matter.

I think we’d need a global government to have international law that lives up to the name. Otherwise it’s just going to be nice talking points. Entities will complain that others are breaking the rules while having no respect for the rules themselves.

Until such a global government comes into existence, it’s the same as it’s ever been: when you’re in danger, get some allies. If you can’t get any allies because nobody trusts you, then your culture is in danger of being de-selected (from an evolutionary standpoint).

Hah! I just read the forum’s AI summary of my post. It gets better every time :slight_smile:

Amity emphasizes that international law and morality matter, regardless of semantic shifts in defining war. They criticize powerful aggressors for disregarding legality and highlight the manipulation of language to create chaos. Amity calls for a legal framework based on human rights and secular values to deter conflict and protect victims, questioning the role of religion and ignorance in perpetuating violence.

Interesting thoughts, here:
World government - Wikipedia

There is no functioning global international military, executive, legislature, judiciary, or constitution with jurisdiction over the entire planet. Instead, according to Michael Mandelbaum (2005), the United States acts as the world government

So, what qualities, experience and knowledge would someone need to preside over the USA, the world, the universe and everything? Legally?

The U.S. Constitution states that the president must:

  • Be a natural-born citizen of the United States

  • Be at least 35 years old

  • Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years

Anyone who meets these requirements can declare their candidacy for president. —
Constitutional requirements for presidential candidates | USAGov

In his Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, Justice Joseph Story stated: Considering the nature of the duties, the extent of the information, and the solid wisdom and experience required in the executive department, no one can reasonably doubt the propriety of some qualification of age.5

The Framers appear to have adopted the requirement that citizens be natural born citizens to ensure that the President’s loyalties would lie strictly with the United States. By barring naturalized citizens from the presidency, the requirement of being a natural born citizen, as Justice Story explained, protects the United States from ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments in executive elections, which have inflicted the most serious evils upon the elected monarchies of Europe. — Qualifications for the Presidency | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

What protection exists for world citizens against ‘ambitious’ and ‘corrupt’ elected leaders who inflict the ‘most serious evils’?

None - if based on ‘elections’ where money talks and power persists for its own ends and personal ambitions. The loyalties…or royalties.
Then again, there is protection for some who do not criticise and who bow their loyal head and kiss the ring of the demented king.

I am largely with @BitterCrank here. The effect of international laws of war on preventing wars and mitigating their worst excesses is very limited. At best, these laws are a reflection of the prevailing sentiment at the time when they were adopted. As long as the sentiment remains, it looks like the laws are working, but as the sentiment shifts they become less and less relevant. They may continue to exert a kind of weak friction, a slight tendency to conserve what was once thought of the better conduct. But in the end, international laws are not effective if there is little will to follow them.

But just on this point:

I think it is now less the case of exploiting legal loopholes as disregarding legal statutes altogether while lying about it in public statements so brazen as to remove any illusion anyone might still harbor about respect for international laws.

@Amity There is no “world government” nor any kind of institutions with power and credibility to enforce international laws – nor can there be, realistically: human society just isn’t adapted to be governed at such a scale, as is demonstrated time and time again.

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@Sophisticat I agree that international laws of war are limited:

As you say, their relevance and effect depend on changing ideas or opinions (politics) from their origin. Worthwhile laws that have held for decades are dismissed due to financial or other concerns.

Short-term thinking, prejudice, ‘penny pinching’ or prideful, egotistical power are some of the faults/flaws of any ‘global institution’.

What can be done, if we can’t do it all?

The scale, spectrum and swift shift of will and interest can be overwhelming. Too many generals…intent on war and profit making. Killing with man-invented machines. Using religion to support their actions and behaviour.

God-given rights to bear arms. Really?
The concept of God-given rights is rooted in the Declaration of Independence , drafted by Thomas Jefferson in 1776. It states that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”.

We moved on to 1948 and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. A milestone document - everyone should read and wonder:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations

Who decides which law to recognise? To destroy? The self-interested outlaws, family inlaws?

How to counteract this wilful aggression to overcome and rule the world - the mad and bad and not ‘beautiful, bigly’!
Who gets to be heroic - the sheriff appointed by the King?

‘Before entering the town, leave your guns here.’

[Ah, the films of the ole Wild West - gun control - where the Godly good were white men wearing white hats, rode white horses; black hats and skin bad. How we were sold the American dream…]

Perhaps, re the causes and effects of war, it is wiser to focus on the pragmatic particulars.

This would include a continual process of needs assessment, a plan with evaluation and appropriate action. At ground level, by a team of the knowledgeable and experienced.

For example, in the field of health, there is World Health Organisation, part of the United Nations.
Constitution of the World Health Organization

Founded in 1948,

WHO is the United Nations agency that connects nations, partners and people to promote health, keep the world safe and serve the vulnerable – so everyone, everywhere can attain the highest level of health.

Current situation: What the U.S.’ Withdrawal from the WHO Means for Public Health

The U.S. was one of the first countries to join the World Health Organization (WHO) when it was created in 1948 as part of the United Nations. But on Jan. 22, 2026, it officially withdrew from the global health group.

The U.S. has historically been the largest funder to the WHO, through both its assessed and voluntary contributions, so the departure is poised to disrupt both global and domestic health. “This is one of the most penny-wise and billion-dollar-foolish moves,” says Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

When the largest funder in any global enterprise walks away from human rights, what must be done?

The effects on U.S. and global health “will be a slow bleed,” says Walson. “Most Americans will not wake up on Jan. 23 and say, ‘Look what happened when the U.S. withdrew from WHO.’ But the problem is that the impacts will be difficult to reverse once they happen.”

That includes being less aware of emerging disease threats, which could become worse if the U.S. is unprepared for them. Early detection is critical for avoiding large-scale outbreaks and avoiding disease and deaths, says Osterholm.

Again, just a few of the thoughts provoked by this fascinating discussion.

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It’s impossible to argue with this thesis, and there’s no need to. Even if we were to invent any legal constructs, there’s no coercive force at the international level that would enforce them. The creation of such a coercive international force today seems utopian.

But here’s what I want to say about everything happening today.

There’s something else, beyond laws, in international relations that everyone respects to some degree. It’s a kind of “moral authority.” One way or another, major players spend vast resources to create and maintain this image. No one wants to be Hitler these days. This is what drives them to invent the nonsense we see—including calling war “non-war.”

Wealthier players use colossal resources to this end: supporting the opposition in rival states, brainwashing their own populations. Ultimately, even your own population will start to hate you if you stop pompously describing your aggression. Fortunately, we haven’t reached that point yet. This very necessity constitutes a constraint and the only coercive force at the international level.

It’s also a lie (which is presented to us as fact) that nothing can be done to ensure norms work. This can be devised if approached properly. But it requires willpower. And I don’t argue with that.

There are a million practical tools.

For example: What prevents, if a conflict breaks out, from holding a vote: do you support Party A or Party B, or neither? The result of this is to strictly establish:

If you support Party A, then you are obligated to terminate all contracts with them and provide humanitarian support to Party B. If you don’t support either side, then you must freeze all relations with all parties to the conflict until the conflict is over. This would force them not just to “chatter” about “condemnation” or “disapproval,” but to actually support some and give help others, and to make a decision. This is simply an example of what can be done (if you want to).

The most important aspect we should all understand is this: today, country A doesn’t attack country B because their crops haven’t grown due to drought. Every country on the map today can cope with famine. Any attack isn’t a matter of life or death. Someone simply needs more money/power, or it’s simply a mistake (border conflicts are often like that). They crave it and brainwash everyone else. As long as we support any side in any conflict, we are participants in aggression.

In this regard, my personal position is this: I do not support the actions of any side in any international conflict. I believe that sobering up the average person to this degree will at least bring us one step closer to the utopia of “world peace.”

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Pacifism springs eternal. :slightly_smiling_face:

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