On Moral Authority

The dangers of misused moral authority are myriad and are often a central focus of contemporary thought (although perhaps more so in the mid-20th century). However, at times, a fear of the misuse of authority seems to become skepticism about moral authority itself, and we can add here moral evangelism as well. Sometimes both are grouped under the banner of “moral imperialism.” To be fair, this skepticism isn’t generally of all moral authority or evangelism, but certainly it can manifest as skepticism of authority across vast expanses of human life.

There are indeed many good reasons to be skeptical of “moral imperialism.” Yet, since these tend to be well-worn paths, I wanted to focus on what I take to be pathological skepticism, and another issue, voluntarism.

Skepticism:

For a broad rejection of moral “imperialism” as such to make sense, it would seem to need to be the case that:

A. The problem is not that the “imperialists” are merely impeded by vice (improperly motivated), else the solution would be formation in virtue); and

B. Likewise, the problem cannot be that our imperialists are merely ignorant of the good, else the solution would be knowledge.

Rather, a rejection of authority and evangelism (even if delimited to some particular sphere) seems to require that either:

A. There simply is no good to know (at least within the spheres in question);

B. That men are incapable of knowing the good decisively, or decisively enough to warrant action within the spheres in question. I would say that the more modest sounding “reasonable people acting in good faith will disagree,” actually requires this more forceful prior claim. If “reasonable people” cannot, in principle, come to understanding, then they cannot know the good decisively (whereas if it is merely an observation about what is true today, this is arguably just a symptom of the pathology in question); and

C. Or that what is best for each is irreducibly plural, with no unifying principle (perhaps because each person creates their own good).

This set of concerns is, interestingly, itself more of a Western European set of assumptions. More importantly however, although theses that are “skeptical” about our own knowledge or the object of moral knowledge, they are all are gnostic claims about the nature moral knowledge itself (i.e., substantive positions masquerading as neutral methodology, and also first-order claims dressed up as meta-positions).

Now, depending on which spheres this sort of skepticism is applied to, it might be more or less problematic. When broadly applied, such a position will tend to be self-undermining to the extent that it condemns moral imperialism as bad, since this would seem to require the very sort of authority and moral knowledge it denies, and participation in the sort of evangelical activity it denies.

Voluntarism:

There is another way a similar problem manifests. This is the claim that moral authority is bad, per se, whenever it trespasses on issues of the good outside a narrow range (generally a reduced set of “public goods”) in virtue of the fact that authority, if exercised, necessarily constrains freedom. The problem is that such claims themselves presuppose (and often enforce) a particular view of freedom (i.e., as primarily choice, choice as divorced from the good–this again being primarily a Western view). For authority, be it teaching authority, or strong formative authority (authority used to help people conform to the good) to be bad per se, it must be the case that:

A. Freedom (defined as choice) is actually the true or highest good, a good higher than “the good” mentioned in other moral contexts; and,

B. That freedom is thus not defined in terms of the good (e.g., as the power to actualize and communicate the good). This will be either because sheer choice is itself the highest good, or because there is no “good” and thus sheer choice must create what we call “good.” I call this choice “sheer” because, in this context, it cannot be determined by reasons about what is better or worse, since unrestrained choice is held above (or is said to determine) what is “better or worse.”

The Minor Problems:

The problem I see here is that either problem, if held expansively enough to be politically relevant, becomes self-refuting. First, because the political efforts to support policies that flow from either position must do the very thing they decry, blocking off some understandings from becoming dominant (and thus imperialist, i.e., shaping policy, civic life, and formation). Second, in the voluntarist case we face the problem that, if freedom is ordered to nothing but itself, it’s unclear why anyone should care about imperialism so long as one maintains one’s own power. Indeed, the voluntarist view of freedom puts the freedom of any in competition with all others (which is precisely why voluntarist theology tends to deny creaturely freedom, because any freedom comes at the expense of divine sovereignty). This creates a dialectic where the highest good—freedom—is one that diminishes when shared, quite the opposite of the classical framing where the Good is diffusive (a black hole versus a super nova if you will).

Of course, there are obviously genuine concerns over the use of moral imperialism for ends determined by vice or dictated by ignorance of what is actually beneficial. That can justify restraint, and policy structures that motivate restraint, etc. But at the same time, this would only seem to make virtue and moral knowledge more important (indeed, even the skeptical and voluntarist positions rely on gnostic claims about moral knowledge, and presumably the virtues needed to assert them).

The Bigger Problem:

The bigger problem is that I don’t think voluntarism or skepticism actually leave themselves the resources to justify any sort of concrete ethics or politics at all. Rather, they have to rely on stolen capital from prior generations (even as they erode it over time as they make their own claims the norm), or to smuggle in more concrete moral assumptions implicitly. The latter tends to become the site of power struggles, power struggles that can only be resolved through more power, since any ground of discourse has been denied in either position. Indeed, skepticism tends to collapse into voluntarism, since the person who denies any guiding knowledge still has to act, and so appetite remains as their only guide.

Conclusion:

These are of course, problems of extremes. That’s precisely why they are pathologies. Yet extremes tend to become the norm in a punctured equilibrium. I’d say though that a problem of our era is that it tends to conflate prudent caution and such pathologies, collapsing them.

Actually, it seems that fears over moral authority and evangelism (or “imperialism”) are less acute then they were a half century ago. Yet I don’t think this is because we have moved further towards health, but rather that the pathologies have done their work, so that now moral claims are increasingly asserted as power claims. This is a common theme I see in Christian nationalist rhetoric. Rarely do I see, “we ought to live and be ruled this way because it is truly wise and just,” but rather, “because we are traditionally this people with these norms, we ought to hold sway.” Those sorts of claims, framed in the language of “identity politics” (for lack of a better term) seem more common than traditional groundings (perhaps because they require less work in the current context). Plus, such claims are easier to defend. With the former, you need to explain why a given structure of rule, or formation, is truly wise and just, whereas in the latter one can simply appeal to the communal will (itself a voluntarist move). I think you can see this at work all throughout the “gender wars” as well.

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I’m no philosopher, so there’s that. Personally, morality hasn’t interested me very much and I have rarely worried about whether something is good or bad. I just act, and I assume that I am the product of contingent factors like temperament, culture, language, and so on. But of course we live within linguistic and cultural traditions, so we can’t help but reach for words like “terrible” and “bad” in our general discourse. As you have pointed out we are stuck with various legacies.

Morality seems to me to be something we reach for when we want others to be the same as us, or to stop doing things we find unpleasant. You’re arguing that morality has a foundation, and that alternative positions are mostly the contradictory tosh of modernity, right? I’m assuming you would see Western secular morality as largely consisting of Christianity and Greek thought disconnected for a telos? Although I recall you (perhaps) having some sympathy for Nussbaum’s capabilities framework.

I’d be interested (if this isn’t a digression) in you setting out how you would arrive at a moral certainty.

As you may recall, I’m not convinced morality is more than a way of organizing social control and competing values. We devise intersubjective communities that set out codes of conduct, etc. Or we appeal to some kind of transcendental foundation. You seem to belong to this latter category.

Supposing we run with this, morality, ethics, or any consideration of the good or choice-worthy ends would be prescriptive and not merely proscriptive, right? So, “all children ought to be taught to read,” and “all citizens ought to have the right to trial by jury,” etc. aren’t simply about people not doing what is bad, but about doing what is good.

So any consideration of policy and politics, or even practical action might be fall under the rubric in its most expansive sense, i.e., the consideration of what is worthy of choice.

Merely that it has to be grounded in some understanding. That pathologies lead to an understanding that contradicts itself and is unable to justify itself even in its own terms. When this happens, moral discourse, tends to degenerate into mere claims of preference and assertions of power.

Interesting topic. I am myself very skeptical of moral authority. Unfortunately, I don’t think I fully grasped what you wrote, so I apologize for any misreading in advance.

The biggest issue is that it’s not clear what you mean by moral authority. You say towards the end:

I don’t think rejecting moral authority means denying “any guiding knowledge”. At least that’s not how I understand the term.

I personally prefer to consider authority as a justification for claims rather than claims themselves. For the same claim, authority can be present or absent:

  • “Don’t kill this person, it has bad consequences and we should avoid bad consequences”
  • “Don’t kill this person because I order so”

The first one is justifying the claim through “rational” argumentation while the second one is using authority to justify their claim. I’ll quote the SEP entry on authority:

As Robert Paul Wolff puts it: “To claim authority is to claim the right to be obeyed.” (Wolff 1970: 6). Many theorists, including Wolff, interpret this premise to mean that authorities claim that their directives provide subjects with a distinctive kind of reason for action: “Obedience is not a matter of doing what someone tells you to do. It is a matter of doing what he tells you to do because he tells you to do it.”

So, on this view, the skeptic’s position does not require authority. The skeptic holds this view with “rational” argumentation, not merely because the skeptic affirms it.

Obviously, authority has many meanings and I could simply be off-base here and that’s not what the post is about.

Sure, but I think this fits with my idea that morality helps us promote people like us. Readers.

Isn’t everything grounded in some understanding, some context. Isn’t your point that this understanding needs to meet some criteria of value? I’m trying to understand what you think these are.

I’m happy to change my views - which are tentative at best.

Can you demonstrate that there is something more than preference or power?

I’m also curious if morality needs to justify itself? Where does it do this successfully outside of theorists?

Isn’t the problem overall the absence of a sense of a true good, a summum bonum, an end towards which life must be oriented? So that ‘moral authority’ inheres in those who are acquainted with this true good, and are able to direct others towards it? All of which is inimical to liberal individualism, wherein the individual is his/her own arbiter of value, so that whatever is deemed good, is a matter of individual conscience rather than moral authority. And all of this, in a political culture which must hold itself aloof from any particular expression of the real good over and above common law protections of political equality, rule of law, and so on.

Absent a shared sense of what constitutes human flourishing, eudomonia, then how can there be a shared vision of what it might be? And the the absence of that vision, any agreement on what moral authority ought to constitute?

Your point about substantive positions masquerading as neutral methodology brought to mind a passage from David Loy: “The main problem with our usual understanding of secularity is that it is taken-for-granted, so we are not aware that it is a worldview. It is an ideology that pretends to be the everyday world we live in.”

Loy’s diagnosis of secularity’s self-concealing character seems to me a useful complement to your argument. You demonstrate, with some rigour, the logical self-refutation of both the skeptical and voluntarist positions. But Loy helps explain why that demonstration is so hard to make stick in practice: the dominant framework has naturalised itself so thoroughly that those operating within it don’t experience themselves as holding a position that could be refuted. Which may be part of what makes the pathology so persistent.

(This is developed at length in Loy’s essay Terror in the God Shaped Hole, which is an analysis of the fundamentalism that drove the 9/11 atrocities in relation to what he calls 'modernity’s identity crisis.)

Well, with the skepticism problem, I would say yes. No one knows, so no one can be an authority.

However, in the voluntarist case, I think there normally is a highest good, the voluntarist notion of freedom. The problem here is that you cannot order a society around such a good because it diminishes when shared, leading to the war of “all against all,” and at the limits it eats itself.

The illiterate often advocate for literacy programs for their children. Sometimes, the goal of individuals or movements is to make people unlike them.

Conceived as civil liberty, right?

Originally, yes; or at least that is the dominant thread I believe. But the whole “anti-humanist” tradition Charles Taylor discusses in A Secular Age, of which right-wing Nietzscheans are one example, discard this. After all, civil liberties codified into law are themselves sources of constraint, and so sources of unfreedom. Max Stirner might be a better early example here, but he’s less well known.

The abandonment of liberal civil liberty on voluntarist grounds actually seems to come in two flavors. On the one hand there is communitarianism, which puts the collective over the individual (and yet the collective seeks a sort of voluntarist freedom). This thread is perhaps aided by the dissolution of the self in post-modern thought. The other focuses on the individual, and as far as I can see came first. That latter seems more genuinely disruptive though, because it’s the sort of thing people can organize around.

Or there are hybrids, like Nick Land and co’s focus on techno-fascist-CEO-led city states, but where one is allowed to leave (in theory lol).

I’ve tried to read this thread carefully but I still don’t get the use of “authority” here. Does moral authority, as you understand it, reside in an individual – that is, could you be a moral authority? That is one commonly recognized use of the word; an authority is someone who knows something more about a subject, and to whom we turn for guidance. What is such an authority authorized to do, exactly?

Or is moral authority found in a doctrine, requiring interpretation? In that sense, no single individual could ever be set up as a moral authority.

Being skeptical of an individual who claims moral authority seems healthy to me.

Either,or. Presumably, if there are no moral authorities in the individual sense, there can be no authorities in terms of doctrine or institutions, since they would all be created and expounded by those without authority (or we could say knowledge, or proper expertise, or something like that). Wouldn’t the institution or doctrines created without proper authorities be like a hospital or medical textbook created by people with no understanding of medicine?

And is this true for all individual authority? Or if it is only true for moral authority, why?

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I don’t know if you read Wayfarer’s link to Loy’s God Shaped Hole Terror or paid much attention to what he said about Loy in his post. Assuming to did give it a glance, I was wondering if you would attribute the anxiety of modernity that Loy talks about to the rejection of the objective order, rather than Loy’s “groundlessness.”

It looks like moral imperialism is just a facet of imperialism, the kind popular before Asia and Africa were relieved of their colonial yoke. Among the Abrahamic triad, Christian morality and Islamic morality stand out in having been dragged in by armies rather than missionaries (this particular demographic had quite short life spans, re John Allen Chau in the Andaman islands). Part of the now highly controversial civilization mission (?).

Perhaps there’s a less glamorous version of moral imperialism that I’m not aware of. There is a kind of pervasive cultural chauvanism that could lead to moral imperialism; the us (good, civilized folk)-vs-them (bad, barbaric savages) trope was as Greek as Chinese. However, figures like Hieun Tsang and Fa Hein embody self-doubt, a kind of Socratic epiphany; they traveled not to disseminate Chinese but to learn about cultures different to theirs.

Authority can come from group wisdom; no single individual need have it, or be able to expound it in its entirety.

The question has to be asked, Do you have moral authority? And what does this authorize you to do? Given the unusual topic, I don’t think this is intrusive or ad hominem, but if you disagree and prefer not to answer, I’ll respect that.

A perceptive question. I don’t think it’s a matter of “all” versus “only,” but a matter of gradations. Suffice it to say, a person who claims moral authority deserves way more skepticism than one who claims authority about butterflies. The “why?” I’ll have to come back to, as I’m already late for an appointment out in the world!

This is how I roughly think of morality, maybe it could help someone think of it.

Morality exists on a spectrum, balancing between push and pull. Push toward truth and understanding and morality naturally follows. Pull away from truth toward disorder and what we call immorality follows just as naturally. Morality is not a fixed set of rules imposed from outside. It is a direction.

The reason morality appears so different from person to person is that each of us perceives it through our own layers of push and pull. Our experiences, our information, our trauma, our understanding, all of it shapes the angle we see from. Nobody has a perfect view of the full spectrum. We are all working with a partial picture shaped by where we stand within it.

The closer you move toward truth the more coherent your actions become for yourself and everyone around you. The further you drift from it the more disorder you create in the system. On the human scale we call that spectrum morality, but it is really just the universe’s balancing tendency expressed through conscious beings doing their best to navigate it from inside it.

In some respects. One cannot be a civic leader, a parent, a church leader, a teacher or, perhaps in a more limited sense, even an outdoor leadership instructor, without having to take on some sort of authority vis-á-vis what is choice-worthy. Skepticism and voluntarism don’t, in the end, remove this requirement. Rather they tend to simply make authority implicit and obscure, which, ironically, often makes it stronger and less open to critique. Because no one person claims it (for this is now always hubris), it devolves to bureaucracy, which arguably simply makes it harder to follow, debate, or reform and less transparent.

Wouldn’t it follow then that human beings are more well equipped to understand butterflies than what is worth doing?

I’m using the term broadly because it is often used broadly. I’d agree that “moral imperialism” probably is best used for cases of cultural imposition through force of coercion, but it seems to me that concerns over “imperialism” have now filtered down to most assertions about the human good.

Situating it “now” skews the problem. It was and is fundamental to Socratic philosophy. Asking about morality in terms of authority biases the problem and forestalls moral deliberation. As if the question of the human good has ready made answers.

Clash of civilizations? Cultural domination? Asymmetric relationships of any kind, whether GDP, militarily, population, etc.? These are factors one has to include in any study of moral imperialism. These are old problems. A fun fact may be an Asian Caesar (Fromo Kesaro). :thinking: