Thomist Epistemology - Sensible Form and Intelligible Form

“EVERYTHING in the cosmic universe is composed of matter and form. Everything is concrete and individual. Hence the forms of cosmic entities must also be concrete and individual. Now, the process of knowledge is immediately concerned with the separation of form from matter, since a thing is known precisely because its form is received in the knower. But, whatever is received is in the recipient according to the mode of being that the recipient possesses. If, then, the senses are material powers, they receive the forms of objects in a material manner; and if the intellect is an immaterial power, it receives the forms of objects in an immaterial manner. This means that in the case of sense knowledge, the form is still encompassed with the concrete characters which make it particular; and that, in the case of intellectual knowledge, the form is disengaged from all such characters. To understand is to free form completely from matter.

Moreover, if the proper knowledge of the senses is of accidents, through forms that are individualized, the proper knowledge of intellect is of essences, through forms that are universalized. Intellectual knowledge is analogous to sense knowledge inasmuch as it demands the reception of the form of the thing which is known. But it differs from sense knowledge so far forth as it consists in the apprehension of things, not in their individuality , but in their universality .

The separation of form from matter requires two stages if the idea is to be elaborated: first, the sensitive stage, wherein the external and internal senses operate upon the material object, accepting its form without matter, but not without the appendages of matter; second the intellectual stage, wherein agent intellect operates upon the phantasmal datum, divesting the form of every character that marks and indentifies it as a particular something.

Abstraction, which is the proper task of active intellect, is essentially a liberating function in which the essence of the sensible object, potentially understandable as it lies beneath its accidents, is liberated from the elements that individualize it and is thus made actually understandable. The product of abstraction is a species of an intelligible order. Now possible intellect is supplied with an adequate stimulus to which it responds by producing a concept.

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From Thomistic Psychology: A Philosophical Analysis of the Nature of Man , by Robert E. Brennan, O.P.; Macmillan Co., 1941. (Additional paragraphing and emphasis added). Published at St. Thomas Aquinas: Sensible Form and Intelligible Form reproduced here for comment, no permission sought.

Mini-glossary of terms in this passage:

Form – the organizing principle or intelligible structure that makes a thing what it is.

Matter – the principle that individuates things and makes them concrete instances of a form.

Senses – bodily faculties (sight, hearing, etc.) that perceive particular objects.

Intellect – the immaterial cognitive power that grasps universal meanings rather than particular sensory features.

Accidents – features of a thing that can change without altering what it fundamentally is (e.g., colour, size).

Essence – what a thing fundamentally is; its defining nature.

Universal – a form or concept understood apart from any particular instance.

Abstraction – the intellectual process of separating the universal essence of a thing from the particular conditions under which it appears to the senses.

Agent intellect – the power of intellect that renders the data of sense actually intelligible.

Possible intellect – the receptive aspect of intellect that receives the intelligible form and produces a concept.

What interests me here is the Thomistic claim that the senses know particulars while the intellect knows universals or essences. I’m curious how this account of the intellect’s grasp of universals might be understood today, and whether there are positions in modern philosophy that map onto it or challenge it.

Please let’s try to stay within a broadly Thomistic lane (or criticisms of same) for this discussion. I make no pretence at being a scholar of Aquinas, who’s writings are intricate and extensive, but I’m interested in exploring this topic with that perspective in mind.

In addition to the blog cited in Credits, this is a nice informal blog on the same topic. There are many other Aquinas online resources, feel free to bring them in if you see fit.

@Wayfarer

Great passage to kick things off. Brennan gives a clean statement of the standard textbook reading — what you might call the “manual Thomism” account of abstraction. And its a perfectly servicable entry point. But I think its worth flagging early that this reading, while widespread, smooths over some real tensions in Aquinas’s own texts — tensions that matter for how we connect this stuff to contemporary philosophy.

The big issue is what we mean by “abstraction” here. On the Brennan reading, agent intellect basically strips away material conditions from the phantasm until you’re left with the universal essence. It sounds almost mechanical: you start with a concrete sensible particular, you subtract the individuating features, and out pops the intelligible species. But if you go back to Aquinas carefully — especially the De Veritate and the relevant questions in the Summa (I.84-85) — what’s actually doing the cognitive work isn’t well described as subtraction. It’s an act. Agent intellect doesn’t peel layers off a phantasm; it illuminates the phantasm so that possible intellect can grasp an intelligibility that was only potentially intelligible in the sensible presentation.

In my opinion, the person who really nailed this down was Bernard Lonergan, in his Verbum: Word and Idea in Aquinas (originally a series of articles in Theological Studies, 1946–49, later collected as a book). Lonergan argued that the tradition had badly misread Aquinas on this point by assimilating his account to a kind of conceptualist extraction — as if understanding were fundamentally about getting the right abstract representation. What Lonergan showed, through painstaking textual work, is that for Aquinas the primary cognitive event is what Lonergan calls insight into phantasm: an act of understanding that grasps intelligible form in the imaginative presentation, not apart from it. The concept (the “inner word” or verbum) is then a product of that act of understanding — its expression, not its source.

This matters enormously for your question about modern philosophy. Because on the manual reading, the Thomistic account looks like a kind of naive realism about universals that most contemporary philosophers would reject outright. But on Lonergan’s reading, the structure is actually quite sophisticated: you have (1) sensory presentations, (2) an active intelligence that raises questions about those presentations (“what is it? why is it so?”), (3) acts of understanding that grasp intelligible patterns, and (4) concepts that formulate what’s been understood. That four-level structure maps much better onto contemporary discussions in philosophy of mind and epistemology than the simple “senses know particulars, intellect knows universals” schema suggests.

There are genuine modern parallels worth noting. The closest structural analogue is probably Husserl’s account of sensory hyle and noetic acts. For Husserl, raw sensory content (hyle) is not yet an experience of something until it’s animated by an intentional act — a noesis — that gives it sense and directedness. That’s remarkably close to the Thomistic picture of phantasm being rendered actually intelligible by agent intellect, even if the philosophical context is very different. Robert Sokolowski’s work on “categorial intuition” (see his Introduction to Phenomenology, 2000, ch. 6) makes the connection nicely: we don’t just passively absorb sensory data, we articulate it — we see that “this is a house,” we register identities and differences, we grasp wholes and parts. Those acts of articulation are intellectual operations performed on and through sensory experience, not somehow outside it. Michael Polanyi’s distinction between focal and tacit knowing (Personal Knowledge, 1958) also tracks something similar from a different angle — the idea that intelligent grasp always operates through a subsidiary awareness of particulars toward a focal awareness of pattern or meaning. Polanyi didn’t frame it in Thomistic terms, but the structural isomorphism is hard to miss. There’s also significant overlap with some of the work being done in the 4E cognitive science space, especially those working at the intersections of phenomenology and cognitive science (Varela, Thompson, Noë, etc.).

Where this intersects with — and I think genuinely challenges — a lot of contemporary work is on the question of whether understanding is reducible to having the right representations. On Lonergan’s retrieval of Aquinas, understanding is an act that can’t be fully captured by any of its products (concepts, propositions, theories). That’s a claim with real bite against both classical empiricism and computationalist theories of mind, where cognition bottoms out in representations and their manipulation.

That said, there are serious modern challenges that any neo-Thomistic position has to reckon with. In my opinion, the most pressing comes from Sellars and his heirs — the “Myth of the Given” worry. The Thomistic picture seems to assume that sensory experience delivers a structured datum (the phantasm) that intellect then operates on. But Sellars argued convincingly that there’s no layer of cognition that is simultaneously (a) non-conceptual and “merely given” and (b) capable of justifying or grounding conceptual knowledge. If the phantasm is pre-conceptual, how does it serve as a basis for intellectual insight? If it already has conceptual structure, then the sharp senses/intellect divide starts to look artificial. McDowell picked this thread up in Mind and World and argued that perceptual experience is already conceptual “all the way down.” Now I actually think the Lonerganian position has resources here — because insight into phantasm isn’t a matter of the phantasm justifying the concept the way a premise justifies a conclusion; its a creative act of intelligence that grasps an intelligibility the phantasm merely occasions. But its a real challenge and it forces you to be much more precise about the phantasm-insight relationship than the manual tradition ever was.

The other major challenge is straightforwardly naturalistic. If cognitive neuroscience can give us a complete causal account of how humans categorize, abstract, and form concepts — in terms of neural networks, pattern recognition, statistical learning over exemplars — then what work is “agent intellect” actually doing? Why posit an immaterial power at all? This is basically the Churchlands’ line (see P.M. Churchland, Matter and Consciousness, 1984), and it puts pressure not just on the Thomistic framework but on any account that treats understanding as irreducible to physical process. The standard Thomist response is that the neuroscience describes necessary conditions for understanding without describing understanding itself — that grasping, say, the Pythagorean theorem is not identical with any particular neural firing pattern, because the same theorem is grasped through radically different neural substrates across individuals. Thats a legitimate point, but I’d be the first to admit it needs a lot more careful development than the neo-Thomist literature typically gives it.

Its also worth stepping back and noticing that the Brennan passage, precisely because it focuses on abstraction as a cognitive mechanism, leaves out the deeper metaphysical context that gives the whole account its real force. For Aquinas, the intellect’s capacity to grasp universal form isn’t just an interesting feature of human psychology — it’s a mode of participation. The agent intellect is a created participation in uncreated light (see Summa I, q.84, a.5; and De Veritate q.11, a.1), and the forms it grasps are themselves participations in the divine ideas. This is where the classical transcendentals come in: being, truth, goodness, and beauty aren’t four separate properties tacked onto things; they’re convertible aspects of being as such. Every being, insofar as it is actual (= being), is also intelligible (= true), desirable (= good), and — in the integrity of its form — beautiful. So when intellect grasps the form of a thing, it isn’t just performing an epistemological operation. It’s encountering the thing as a participation in being, and therefore as simultaneously true, good, and beautiful.

The modern thinker who recovers something like this most powerfully is probably Charles Taylor, whose account in Sources of the Self (1989) and A Secular Age (2007) of how naturalism progressively “disenchants” the world is really a story about how we lost this participatory framework — the sense that knowing a thing truly is simultaneously an encounter with its goodness. Taylor wouldn’t put it in Thomistic jargon, but the underlying worry is the same: once you flatten the knowing subject into a detached, neutral observer processing inputs, you’ve cut the nerve that connects epistemology to ethics and aesthetics. I think that’s a loss, and I think the transcendentals framework — properly retrieved, not just repeated as scholastic formula — gives you resources for re-establishing those connections that a purely naturalistic epistemology doesn’t have.

If you want to dig further into the textual issues (which are surprisingly complex), Verbum is the essential text, though its not easy going. Lonergan’s later Insight: A Study of Human Understanding (1957) then takes the basic cognitional structure he found in Aquinas and develops it independently of the Thomistic framework — and crucially, chapter 19 and 20 of Insight are where Lonergan works out his own account of how the dynamism of inquiry implicitly intends the transcendentals, arriving at a notion of being as “the objective of the pure desire to know.” Frederick Crowe’s and Robert Doran’s edition of Verbum (University of Toronto Press, Collected Works vol. 2) has helpful editorial notes. For a secondary source that connects this to analytic epistemology, see Hugo Meynell’s An Introduction to the Philosophy of Bernard Lonergan (U of T Press, 1991).

Another take from a different angle is Anthony J. Lisska’s Aquinas’s Theory of Perception: An Analytic Reconstruction (OUP Oxford, 2016). Lisska rehabilitates Aquinas’s perceptual realism from the bottom up, working in an analytic key, whereas Lonergan retrieves Aquinas’s theory of intellect from the inside out, working in a cognitional-theoretic key. They’re actually fairly complementary — Lisska gives you a much more developed account of what’s happening before the moment of insight that Lonergan cares about — though I suspect Lonergan would find Lisska’s naturalistic framing a bit too accommodating to precisely the reductionist pressures that the Thomistic account of agent intellect is meant to resist.

Also worth checking out is John Deely’s Four Ages of Understanding and Intentionality and Semiotics. For Deely, cognition is fundamentally semiosis (a la Peirce): a triadic relational process (sign–object–interpretant) that can’t be collapsed into dyadic causal interactions. He reads Aquinas’s species — both sensible and intelligible — as signs, and the whole movement from sensation through phantasm to intellectual grasp as a chain of sign-activity. His key Thomistic resource here isn’t actually Aquinas directly so much as John Poinsot (John of St. Thomas), whose Tractatus de Signis (1632) Deely edited, translated, and championed as the great overlooked achievement of the tradition.

The contrast between Deely and Lonergan is pretty sharp. Lonergan’s question is always: what is the conscious act that the knower performs at each stage? The emphasis is on cognitional operations — experiencing, understanding, judging — as acts that the subject does. Deely’s question is different: what is the relational structure that makes any cognitive contact with an object possible in the first place? His emphasis is ontological rather than cognitional — he’s interested in how signs function as a unique mode of being (what he calls relation in the technical scholastic sense, where relations can be “mind-independent” or “mind-dependent” in ways that cut across the modern subjective/objective divide). But Deely does flag something that Lonergan underdevelops, which is the role of signs and linguistic mediation in the cognitional process. Lonergan’s early work especially tends to treat insight as something that happens between the solitary knower and the phantasm, without enough attention to how sign-systems shape what can show up as intelligible in the first place.

Anyway, I’ve written way too much now. Let me know if there’s anything in particular you’d like to explore or push back on. Thanks.

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Do you have a view for how this might sit with phenomenology (embodied cognition)? I’m wondering if it would challenge such a distinction since it seems to hold that even our abstract thought is rooted in sensorimotor experience. What some call ‘universals’ arise from patterns of embodied interaction with the world, spatial metaphors, movement, and physical sensation, rather than from an independent intellectual faculty. Thoughts?

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First of all, thank you for the superb response. It was just what I was looking for. I’m trying to ‘join the dots’ in respect to some deep questions in epistemology and (especially) the history of ideas in which my reading is still patchy, but about which I hope I have some insights. Your account really helps me understand where I should look to join more of them.

Compare with my comment in another thread

Why? Because a representation is after all another kind of thing. And then you have the problem of how one thing (the representation) relates to the actual thing. Whereas in reality, a numeral is really the symbol for an intellectual act.

I think it’s this ‘active’ nature of the understanding which eludes so much of the modern discussion.

This is also something I’ve noticed in the commentaries. I suppose the lineage is Brentano’s study of Aristotle and his subsequent influence on Husserl. ‘Intentionality’ in Brentano’s and Husserl’s sense is also active and participatory. Husserl’s phenomenology speaks of grasping eidetic structures through a kind of intellectual (noetic) insight. (I have Sokolowsii, often discussed by @Count_Timothy_von_Icarus but I haven’t made headway with it. Likewise with Mind and World.)

One thing I wonder about here is what exactly is meant by “causal” in the naturalistic account. In the Churchlands’ framework the explanation seems to be entirely in terms of neural processes — pattern recognition, statistical learning, network dynamics, etc. But that’s basically an account in terms of material and efficient causes.

The Thomistic picture is operating with a broader notion of causation. When the intellect grasps a universal, it isn’t just another efficient process happening in the brain; it’s the apprehension of a form — what Aristotle and Aquinas would call a formal cause.

So a neuroscientific account might describe the physiological conditions under which abstraction occurs, but it doesn’t obviously explain the intelligibility that is grasped. If everything is reduced to material and efficient causation, it seems to risk turning understanding itself into just another physical process — which rather undercuts the sovereignty of reason that the account is supposed to explain.

This also seems related to the “argument from reason” in contemporary philosophy, which raises a similar worry: if our beliefs are explained entirely in terms of non-rational physical causes, it becomes hard to see how the truth of those beliefs plays any role in producing them. It can’t really answer the question of ‘why do you think that?’ other than by saying ‘my neurons made me do it!’

Right. This is right at the centre of my overall thesis, such as it is - the loss of the sense of relatedness to being. Everything translated into relations between scientific abstractions from which the felt reality of existence has been bracketed out. That is more than just a philosophical argument, it’s a different state of existence or way of being.

Again, great response. Many of the sources you mention are on my list, with the difference being that you’ve actually read them. :wink:

Good question. My sense is that phenomenology and embodied cognition don’t necessarily eliminate the distinction, but they probably reframe how we understand the transition from sensory experience to intellectual grasp.

The Thomistic claim isn’t that the intellect operates independently of the senses — Aquinas actually insists that nothing is in the intellect that was not first in the senses. So intellectual understanding still depends on sensory presentation (the phantasm). What the intellect adds, on the classical view, is the ability to grasp the intelligible pattern or essence that is not itself given as a particular sensory feature (a.k.a. insight.)

Embodied cognition might then be seen as giving a richer account of how the sensory and imaginative side of that process works — how patterns emerge through interaction with the world — while the Thomistic claim would be that understanding those patterns as universal still requires an intellectual act. From Aristotle, it is the ‘faculty of reason’, the very faculty that differentiates humans from other animals (and for that reason, is inimical to naturalism, which tends to see us on a continuum.)

One of the things enactivism seems to recover is the sense of an idea not as a static representation stored in the mind, but as an active grasp or articulation of intelligibility in experience. In that respect it feels closer to the older Aristotelian–Thomistic picture than to the representational models that dominated modern philosophy. Husserl still preserves that in his ‘ideal objects’.

Ideal Objects

In Edmund Husserl’s phenomenology, ideal objects (or irreal objects) are non-spatiotemporal, immutable entities—such as numbers, logical laws, or meanings (species)—that exist independently of individual acts of consciousness but are grasped through eidetic intuition. They are distinct from real, physical objects (e.g., this specific cup) because they are universal and can be instantiated in multiple places simultaneously, like the concept of “redness”. The similarities with Platonic realism are fairly obvious although there are also differences.

One thing that strikes me in these discussions is how naturally the phrase “active intellect”, associated with Aristotle, also brings Kant to mind. Both reject the idea that the mind simply receives sensory data passively. But the key difference seems to be that for Aquinas the intellect actualizes intelligibility already present in particulars, whereas for Kant intelligibility arises from the structuring activity of the understanding itself.

I’m curious how others here see that contrast in relation to the Thomistic account of universals.

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Robert Sokolowski’s The Phenomenology of the Human Person actually joins them, and I think it’s quite good. I would say they are not necessarily in contradiction, or even tension. There is a potential happy marriage there.

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First a perceptive explanation of a point made in Kant’s Critique of Practical Reason, illustrating the way Kant ‘internalizes’ the natural order, by attributing order to the faculty of reason, rather than as intrinsic to nature itself. Followed by descriptions of how two neo-Thomist philosophers would criticise Kant’s view.

Eggington on Kant

While Kant agreed that we feel something is beautiful when we sense something like purposiveness in it, he believed the ancients erred in thinking such purposiveness was an essential aspect of nature itself. As he wrote,“In the necessity of that which is purposive and so constituted as if it were intentionally arranged for our use, but which nevertheless seems to pertain originally to the essence of things, without any regard to our use, lies the ground for the great admiration of nature.” Key here is the phrase “as if.” The ground for our admiration, Kant insisted, lies not outside in the world but in our reason’s relation to the picture we make of the world. So powerful is the draw of that picture’s coherence that the ancients projected it outward into the world itself, transforming an inner sense of purposiveness into an actual purpose. There is indeed purposiveness, structure, rigor in our picture of nature, Kant replied, but it is supplied by our own reason.

Just as Kant showed that we must presuppose the existence of a whole, unified cosmos for our individual observations to cohere, even though we can never grasp that whole cosmos as an object, the harmony between parts of a system and its internal guiding principle is not an empirical fact that can be established for once and for all but a presumption necessary for deriving laws in the first place. We cannot see the oak tree in the seed, and yet we also cannot coherently grasp how seeds develop into oak trees without imagining them as being guided by a final purpose throughout their growth. Discovering such harmony ignites in us a feeling of beauty, and we are driven to it—not only in works of art or the appreciation of nature, but in science itself. Indeed, the standards that scientists report as guiding their preferences—the preference for the economy of nature’s laws over their profligacy; the ideal of simplicity that guided science from Newton’s discovery of the laws of motion to Einstein’s gorgeous simplification and incorporation of gravity—make sense when we see them no longer as part of nature itself but as things we impose on nature to make sense of it.

In this respect, our appreciation of artistic works provides us with a model for detecting purposiveness in nature. In artworks like Mahler’s symphonies, we recognize a masterful hand that had a reason for placing each note where it was. We know there is a purpose there, and we hear it as we progress through the symphony; we marvel at its perfection. In nature we experience a similar marvel when we contemplate the towering oak that emerged from a tiny seed or realize that the movement of every massive object in the skies can be described and predicted by a few calculations. But whereas in nature we are attracted by the sense of a guiding hand even when there is none, in art the analogy is reversed: we are attracted to products of a guiding hand where the hand itself has become invisible. For a work of art whose artistry is too evident loses its ability to cause wonder; it becomes staid and predictable. In both art and nature, we see beauty in signs of purposiveness without purpose, natural artistry—but with an important difference. Whereas in nature we supply the artist, in art we supply the sense of its naturalness, that it was produced without evident artifice.

Egginton, William. The Rigor of Angels: Borges, Heisenberg, Kant, and the Ultimate Nature of Reality (p. 270). Kindle Edition.

Jacques Maritain

Based on his works The Degrees of Knowledge and Art and Scholasticism, Maritain would likely criticize the passage on several specific grounds:

1. Subjective Projection vs. Ontological Property

The passage notes that for Kant, the ground for our admiration “lies not outside in the world but in our reason’s relation to the picture we make of the world.” Maritain’s “Critical Realism” stands in direct opposition to this:

  • Kantian “As If”: Purposiveness is a heuristic or “regulative” principle we impose on nature because our minds require it to make sense of a “chaotic labyrinth”.
  • Maritain’s Realism: Intelligibility and purposiveness are not imposed by the mind; they are ontological properties of being itself. He argues that “truth follows upon the existence of things” (Veritas\ sequitur\ esse\ rerum). For Maritain, a seed becomes an oak because of its own intrinsic “teleological (goal-directed) nature,” not because we find it convenient to imagine a guiding hand.

2. The Nature of Beauty: Play of Faculties vs. Radiance of Form

The Egginton passage explains that for Kant, beauty “ignites in us a feeling” when our faculties play together. Maritain would argue that this reduces beauty to a psychological event rather than an intellectual revelation:

  • Kant: Beauty is the result of the “free play” of the imagination and understanding.
  • Maritain: Beauty is the “radiance of form” (resplendentia formae) glittering in the object. While he agrees that beauty delights the intellect, he insists that this delight is caused by the mind’s contact with a real “surplus of reality” in the thing, which it seizes intuitively rather than constructing through a “picture”.

3. “Supplying” the Artist vs. “Apprehending” the Creator

The most pointed disagreement would be with the claim that “in nature we supply the artist.” Maritain’s metaphysics is “Creational Realism”:

  • Maritain’s Response: We do not “supply” the artist; we discover the “handiwork of the Word”. He views the universe as a “great dialogue” where things “speak” to the mind because they were first “uttered” by God. To say we supply the artist is, for Maritain, the height of “Angelism”—the error of treating the human mind as if it were the source of reality’s order rather than its recipient.

4. Idealism as “Metaphysical Suicide”

Maritain would argue that Kant’s “as if” approach to nature effectively separates the “object” (the thing as known) from the “thing” (the thing in itself), which he calls a “metaphysical suicide”. By claiming that we can never grasp the unified cosmos as an object, Maritain believes Kant “despises the very structure of thought,” which is naturally designed to become one with the esse (act of existing) of the things it knows.

In summary, Maritain would argue that the passage describes a “two-dimensional universe” of infinite platitude. He would contend that the “marvel” we feel in nature is not a result of our own creative projection, but an “ecstatic” intuition of the solidity and inexorability of a reality that exists entirely independently of our “picture” of it.

Joseph Maréchal

Joseph Maréchal’s relationship with Immanuel Kant was more nuanced and “accommodating” than that of Jacques Maritain. While Maritain viewed the Kantian system as a “shipwreck” of reason and a “metaphysical suicide,” Maréchal believed Kant had discovered a vital piece of the epistemological puzzle that the Scholastics had largely overlooked.

Maréchal’s unique “accommodation” of Kant, particularly in light of the themes of purposiveness and the unitive vision, can be elaborated through several key points:

1. The Sympathetic Starting Point

Unlike Maritain, who insisted that philosophy must begin with the external thing (realism), Maréchal accepted Kant’s “turn to the subject” as a legitimate point of departure. He was the first Catholic philosopher to provide a sympathetic and objective presentation of Kant’s work, reaching the conclusion that Kant’s philosophy was not a mere collection of errors but a profound challenge that needed to be answered on its own grounds. Maréchal agreed with Kant’s “Copernican Revolution”: that the mind is not a passive mirror but an active agent that imposes intelligible form upon sensory content.

2. Agreement on the Limits of Intuition

Maréchal made a major concession to Kant that traditional Thomists did not: he agreed that the human intellect has no intellectual intuition of the “noumenal” (the thing-in-itself).

  • The Maritain Contrast: Maritain argued that we do have an “intuition of being” that seizes the act of existing directly.
  • The Maréchal/Kant Position: Maréchal accepted Kant’s view that our knowledge is “discursive” and “abstractive”—it must work through sense data (the phantasm) and cannot skip directly to the essence of a thing through a “pure vision”.

3. Turning the “As-If” into an Ontological Must

The passage quoted from William Egginton describes Kant’s view that we must treat nature “as if” it were purposive. Maréchal’s “accommodation” was to argue that this “as if” is actually the dynamism of the intellect in action.

  • Maréchal argued that Kant was “not transcendental enough.” He claimed that if you follow Kant’s own method to its logical conclusion, you find that the mind’s ability to even pose the “as if” proves that it is already governed by a deeper, active drive toward the Absolute.
  • Where Kant saw purposiveness as a “regulative idea” (a useful tool for the mind), Maréchal saw it as a speculative necessity. He argued that we cannot recognize a “finite” object unless our minds are already striving toward the “infinite”.

4. The Unitive Vision as “Intellectual Finality”

Regarding the “unitive vision” of the philosophia perennis, Maréchal sought to “beat Kant at his own game” by showing that the unity of consciousness (the “I think”) necessarily implies the unity of Being.

  • He taught that every act of judgment — even judging a simple blade of grass — is a partial realization of a drive toward a total, unified comprehension of reality.
  • In light of the quotes about art and nature, Maréchal would argue that the “wonder” we feel is not just us “supplying the artist,” but our own intellect recognizing its own finality (purpose) reflected in the structure of the world.

Summary: The “Kantian Chrysalis”

While Maritain fought Kant from the outside, Maréchal attempted to emerge from what some critics called a “Kantian chrysalis”. He used Kant’s own subjective tools to build a bridge back to Aquinas, arguing that the very “inner causality” and “subjective purposiveness” Kant described are the footprints of God within the human mind. In this way, Maréchal did not just reject Kant’s “as if”—he transformed it into a Thomistic “is”.

Notice the second stage here, the agent intellect acts “upon the phantasmal datum”. This is best described as an act of production, whereby the agent intellect produces the universal form. We are not told the tools used, nor the method which is used in this production. Kant for instance proposes the a priori intuitions of space and time as being active in this production.

So there is a couple things to keep in mind. The universal is not derived from one particular, hence the name “universal”. Therefore it is not a case of one and the same form being taken from the particular, and ending up as the universal. The agent intellect must perform some acts of understanding, comparison and association in its production of the universal.

It is proper to say that the senses receive aspects of the form of the individual, each sense receiving the aspects which are proper to it. But it is not proper to say that the intellect receives the form of the individual as a universal, due to the mediation of the senses. Aristotle for instance, investigated and dismissed, the possibility of a “sixth sense” which would unite the data from the other five senses, and present this to the intellect as a united form. Instead, we must conclude that the intellect creates the universal form

I believe EQV makes the same point:

This is the way that Aristotle refuted Pythagorean/Platonic idealism. If the universal forms exist prior to being discovered by the human mind, they exist merely as potential, as a human mind is required to give them actual existence. And the cosmological argument shows that potential cannot be eternal, thereby refuting the Pythagorean idealism known as Platonism.

The agent intellect is active, and actualizes the potential received from the senses. This is a very directed act, in the sense that the senses are ‘designed’ (for lack of a better word) to provide a very specialized form of potential to the intellect already. These are the levels of potential described by Aristotle in On the Soul.

From the bottom up, at each level the potential gets actualized by the living being, in a very specific way, as a habit, and the produced actuality serves as the potential for the next higher level of actuality. In the evolutionary context, we can understand the directed potentiality as coming into existence through a trial and error process. The living beings try all sort of ways of actualizing the potential which is present to them. When they find a way in which the actualized potential serves adequately as the potential for a higher level of actuality, that way is adopted as a sort of habit. This continues, and produces what Aristotle called the powers of the soul, self-nutrition, self-movement, sensation, intellection.

This is a good point, and I think it serves us well to recognize the distinction between senses and intellect as a theoretical one only. It was designed to facilitate the ancient understanding of a relationship between a material body, and an immaterial mind, which avoids an interaction problem. That is the basic problem which this ancient representation is supposed to try and resolve.

But Aristotle went far beyond this in On the Soul, and proposed a completely different model. The soul is portrayed as immaterial, and as the primary actuality of any living body. This means that the immaterial interacts with the material at all levels of the living being. From this perspective it’s not a matter of trying to figure out how the immaterial mind interacts with the material senses. The immaterial/material interaction is already within all aspects of the living body.

That’s a premature “if”. Much of quantum physics, and its deference to random chance occurrences, demonstrates that this is a misguided “if”. I’d say you appear to be the type who would load up your credit card thinking that your lottery win will pay it off.

I think this assessment is a little misguided. Aquinas accepted Augustine’s tripartite intellect, consisting of memory, understanding (reason), and will. The role of the will here is what makes the intellect active, and this negates the ancient Pythagorean theory of participation which Plato criticized. The problem being, that if Ideas or Forms are participated in, then they must be passive in that respect. But Plato saw the need to reverse this, and show how Forms are active in the creation of the things which are said to participate in them, instead of simply being passively participated in.

You’re right that Aquinas adopts “a mode of participation”, but we have to be careful to separate this from the ancient theory of participation. So when you talk about “being”, “truth”, “goodness”, and “beauty”, you present these as Ideas, Forms, which the agent intellect would participate in. But that seems to be exactly what Aristotle, Augustine, and Aquinas were getting away from.

I’d say, that the active intellect must participate in something higher, in its actuality it is the potential for that higher thing, (by the levels of potential mentioned above). But whatever that actuality is, is unknown, so we cannot name it as a Form. Commonly we might say that the active intellect participates in God. But again, the concept of “participation” tends to reverse things, as I believe it is more proper by Thomistic principles to say that God participates in the human intellect.

Also can you clarify your reference, what is “Summa I, q.84, a.5”?

Thanks — and I’m glad its landing well. You’re clearly tracking the core issue, which is encouraging because in my experience the “understanding as act” point is the one people most frequently nod along with and then immediately forget when they go back to talking about cognition in representationalist terms.

Your point about the number 7 is exactly right and worth underlining. The standard move in analytic philosophy is to ask “do numbers exist?” and then line up as a platonist, nominalist, or fictionalist depending on your answer. But all three options share the assumption that the question is about the ontological status of some object. What gets missed is that grasping a specific quantity is an act of understanding — and the numeral is a sign that expresses the content of that act, not a label for some weird abstract entity floating in a platonic heaven. Lonergan makes exactly this point in Insight (ch. 1-2): mathematical understanding is a paradigm case of insight into phantasm, where you grasp an intelligible relationship in a symbolic or imaginative presentation. The image (say, a diagram or a set of marks on a page) is necessary — you can’t do math without some kind of sensible representation to work with — but what you understand is not the image. It’s something you grasp through it.

But the real contribution you’re making here is the point about formal causation, and I think you’ve actually put your finger on something that most critics of the Thomistic picture just sail right past. You’re right that the standard naturalistic challenge operates entirely within the register of material and efficient causation. Neural network X fires in pattern Y and thereby causes the subject to token concept Z. Fine — but that’s an account of the mechanism, not of the intelligibility that the mechanism is supposedly grasping. To borrow an example: a neuroscientific account can in principle tell you everything about what’s happening in your brain when you prove the Pythagorean theorem — which neurons fire, in what sequence, with what neurochemical profile. What it can’t tell you is why the proof works. The validity of the proof is a matter of formal relationships between terms, and formal relationships aren’t the kind of thing that shows up in a brain scan. Not because their mysterious or spooky, but because they’re a different kind of intelligibility than what material-efficient causal explanation is designed to capture.

This is essentially what Aristotle meant by saying that the soul is the formal cause of the living body (and not just its efficient controller), and its one of those Aristotelian insights that I think modernity lost at enormous cost. Once you contract “cause” to mean only efficient cause — which is basically the Humean legacy — then of course the intellect’s grasp of form looks like it has to be either a physical process or something ghostly and dualistic. The Thomistic four-cause framework gives you a way out of that dilemma, but only if you’re willing to take formal causation seriously as a real explanatory category and not just a medieval curiosity.

The connection to the argument from reason is also apt. Plantinga’s evolutionary argument against naturalism and Nagel’s Mind and Cosmos (2012) are both circling around the same basic worry — that a thoroughgoing naturalism can’t account for the normativity of thought without appealing to something that isn’t itself just another efficient-causal process. I have quibbles with how both of them frame it, but the underlying point is sound.

This is a rich post. It’s interesting to contrast the Maréchal strategy vs. the Maritain strategy for answering Kant.

Maritain’s response is essentially: Kant is wrong, we do have direct cognitive contact with being, end of story. The “intuition of being” seizes the esse of things, and Kant’s “as if” is a catastrophic wrong turn. Now, there’s something admirable about the directness of that, but I think it actually concedes too much to Kant by fighting on the wrong terrain. Maritain is basically asserting a counter-thesis — “the mind does reach being!” — without adequately answering Kant’s question about how we know that it does. You can’t just insist on realism against the critical challenge; you need to show what it is about the structure of cognition itself that warrants the claim. Otherwise you’re just thumping the table, and a Kantian will rightly be unimpressed.

Maréchal saw this, and thats why he’s the more important figure here (IMHO). His key move — that the mind’s own dynamism toward the unconditioned is not a regulative “as if” but a constitutive condition of any act of knowledge whatsoever — is genuinely brilliant. And it’s the move that Lonergan, Coreth and Rahner picked up and developed much more rigorously. In Insight, Lonergan essentially asks: what are you doing when you raise a question? When you ask “is it really so?” you’re already operating with an implicit intention of being — a drive toward the unconditioned that isn’t something you choose to adopt but is the very structure of inquiry as such. The point isn’t that we have some magical intuition that leaps past the Kantian critique. The point is that the Kantian critique itself, as an act of intelligent questioning and rational judgment, already presupposes the very orientation to being that Kant wanted to restrict to a regulative idea. Kant, as Maréchal put it, wasn’t transcendental enough.

What this means for the Egginton passage is that the “as if” of purposivness doesn’t need to be either a naive projection onto nature (which Kant rightly rejects) or a merely subjective heuristic (which Kant proposes). There’s a third option: the intelligibility we grasp in nature is really therenot because we have an unmediated vision of essences, but because the questions we ask and the insights we reach are themselves acts that intend being, and the judgments that verify those insights are conditioned by evidence we don’t manufacture. The oak-from-acorn case is a good example. The Kantian says we impose teleological structure to make the growth intelligble. The Lonerganian says: try to give a complete account of the acorn-to-oak development without any reference to formal or final causation, and see whether your account actually explains what it claims to explain, or whether it quietly presupposes the very intelligibility it claims to be projecting. In my experience, if you push hard enough the Kantian position either ends up quietly helping itself to the realism it outwardly denies, or ends up collapsing into some version of the Cartesian dualism it was trying to transcend.

One more thing on the Egginton passage specifically. That line about how “in nature we supply the artist” is beautifully put as prose, but its doing alot of philosophical work that I think goes unexamined. It assumes that the only two options are: either there’s a literal artisan behind nature (theism naively construed) or the sense of design is our projection. But the Thomistic tradition has a more subtle account than either option — form is intrinsic to natural things as their actuality, not imposed from the outside by a cosmic craftsman, and our recognition of it is a genuine cognitive achievement, not a projection.

Now, this raises the obvious question: if form is ultimately grounded in the divine ideas, how can it be genuinely “intrinsic” to nature? This hits on a legitimate tension running through the whole theistic tradition, one that goes all the way back to the original divergence between Plato and Aristotle. For Plato, form is divine, eternal, and radically other than the material world. Matter is a kind of deficiency — the realm of becoming, flux, imperfect copies. Participation is fundamentally an ascent: the mind transcends the sensible to achieve adequation with the Forms themselves, and the material world is intelligible only derivatively, insofar as it dimly images what is fully real elsewhere. The pull is always upward and away from nature toward the transcendent source. Aristotle pushes back hard on this. Forms aren’t transcendent archetypes but intrinsic principles of actual things — the form of a horse is in this horse, doing its work right here in the sensible world. Nature is intelligible in its own right, and that intelligibility is cashed out in terms of the four causes — formal and final causation especially — operating within natural processes, not descending from above. The risk on the Platonic side is a kind of world-denial that makes nature merely a shadow; the risk on the Aristotelian side is a self-contained naturalism that has no obvious need for transcendence at all.

Aquinas wends a middle path between these two, and I think its one of his most underappreciated achievements. He takes Aristotle’s insistence that form is intrinsic to natural things with complete seriousness — the oak’s form is the oak’s own actuality, operating in and through matter, intelligible right here in the natural world. But he grounds that intrinsic intelligibility in a participatory metaphysics that’s broadly Platonic in structure: created forms are participations in the divine ideas, and the act of being (esse) that actuates every substance is itself a participation in God’s own act of existing. The crucial move is that these aren’t competing claims fighting for the same causal slot. God’s creative act doesn’t substitute for the oak’s own actuality — it’s the reason the oak has its own actuality in the first place. The oak’s act of being is genuinely its own, but it’s received and finite, not self-grounding. It’s not that God imposes form from outside — that would be the demiurgic picture Aristotle rightly rejected — its that to be actual at all is already to participate in being. So the form is genuinely the oak’s own, making it an oak and not a pile of cellulose, and it’s simultaneously a participation in the intelligibility of being as such. The second claim grounds the first; it doesnt compete with it.

This is why the whole framework of “we supply X” vs. “X is really out there” — which is the framework Egginton’s Kantian reading operates within — doesn’t have room for what the Thomistic tradition is actually saying. The Thomistic claim isn’t “nature looks intelligble because God secretly rigged it.” Its “nature is intelligible because to be actual is to participate in being, and being itself is intrinsically intelligible.” And that’s a fundamentally different kind of claim than anything the Kantian dichotomy between subjective projection and naive realism can accommodate.

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Indeed! From an essay on same:

A genuine realist should see “forms” not merely as a solution to a distinctly modern problem of knowledge, but as part of an alternative conception of knowledge, a conception that is not so much desired and awaiting defense, as forgotten and so no longer desired. Characterized by forms, reality had an intrinsic intelligibility, not just in each of its parts but as a whole. With forms as causes, there are interconnections between different parts of an intelligible world, indeed there are overlapping matrices of intelligibility in the world, making possible an ascent from the more particular, posterior, and mundane to the more universal, primary, and noble. In short, the appeal to forms or natures does not just help account for the possibility of trustworthy access to facts, it makes possible a notion of wisdom, traditionally conceived as an ordering grasp of reality. Preoccupied with overcoming Cartesian skepticism, it often seems as if philosophy’s highest aspiration is merely to secure some veridical cognitive events. Rarely sought is a more robust goal: an authoritative and life-altering wisdom. What’s Wrong with Ockham, Joshua P Hochschild

Hence the significance of formal causation. The writing project I’m working on has this at the centre.

I don’t take issue with anything in your account there — in fact I think it’s an excellent summary of the Thomistic position and of Aquinas’ balancing of the Platonic and Aristotelian impulses.

But I interpret it slightly differently in relation to Kant. Kant is, in a very real sense, modern in a way that Plato, Aristotle, and Aquinas are not. That is the ‘tectonic shift’ underlying his work. His philosophy begins from the reflective awareness of the individual subject confronted with a world of objects and forces. That situation — the sense of the subject standing over against an objective world — is precisely the condition that gives rise to the Kantian project. It’s the advent of the modern individual. Having rejected what he called “dogmatic metaphysics” and the challenge of Humean skepticism, Kant sets himself the task of reconstructing philosophy on the basis of reason alone, by asking what the conditions of possible experience must be for such a subject.

The earlier tradition does not begin from that standpoint. For Plato, Aristotle, and Aquinas, intellect and being belong to the same intelligible order. The mind is naturally oriented toward the intelligibility of things, so the basic problem is not how to bridge a gulf between subject and object, but how understanding participates in the intelligibility already present in reality. They don’t have that same sense of ‘otherness’ - they’re much more characterised by Buber’s ‘I-thou’ relationship, than the ‘me-it’ of the modern mindset.

This is why I find Maréchal’s response to Kant more persuasive. Maréchal’s attitude is essentially: Kant is not wrong, but he has not gone far enough. (‘Keep coming!’) The transcendental analysis of the knowing subject uncovers a real dynamism toward intelligibility, but Kant confines that dynamism within the limits of phenomenal experience. He doesn’t grasp what Vervaeke terms ‘the imaginal’. Maréchal’s point is to argue that the very structure Kant discovers points beyond those limits toward being itself.

David Bentley Hart puts it exactly:

In the pre-modern vision of things, the cosmos had been seen as an inherently purposive structure of diverse but integrally inseparable rational relations — for instance, the Aristotelian aitia, which are conventionally translated as “causes,” but which are nothing like the uniform material “causes” of the mechanistic philosophy. And so the natural order was seen as a reality already akin to intellect. Hence the mind, rather than an anomalous tenant of an alien universe, was instead the most concentrated and luminous expression of nature’s deepest essence. This is why it could pass with such wanton liberty through the “veil of Isis” and ever deeper into nature’s inner mysteries (from The Illusionist, The New Atlantis, Number 53, Summer/Fall 2017, pp. 109-121.)

I still disagree with your interpretation of Aquinas’ sense of “participation” EQV. It appears to me like a faulty interpretation forces you to make a separation between “the act of being (esse) that actuates every substance” and “God’s act of existence”. But when God’s essence is understood as His existence, and this is the cause of all existence, then there is no such separation, only unity between God’s actual existence, and the act which actuates substance.

This is where Aquinas distances himself from Plotinus and the Neo-Platonists who proposed the One as pure potential. The pure potential had no principle of act whereby it could be said to be the cause of that which emanates from it. So “participation” must be inverted such that God participates in the being of substance. Existence is by God’s Will, God gives of Himself, through the love of good, so that others may have being. This is an act of God participating in the multitude.

Also EQV, can you please clarify your reference, as I asked. Maybe this would help me to understand your perspective. If “Summa I, q.84, a.5” means Summa Theologica Question 84, there is no Article 5.

Unfortunately, there is a bit of a linguistic slide in English that is apt to make this topic difficult.

When we speak of “abstraction” today, the implication is that it is “less real,” while at the same time the act of abstraction is something like a form of “pattern recognition” in sense data (as the modern Empiricists used the term). Likewise, if form is a sort of “pattern,” it is certainly not a pattern in the sense that the term is often invoked today, either as:

A. The spatial arrangement of physical primitives (e.g., particles) that gives rise to cats versus trees, etc.

B. The bare differences in sensation that form the basis of some heuristic of pattern recognition from which concepts are born á la Hume.

In some ways, I think it is easier to speak of principles today. A principle fulfills the role of explaining a plurality of causes, and so a plurality of beings. It is a unifying “one” over a diverse “many,” as the principle of lift explains flight across insects, birds, fixed and rotary wing aircraft, etc. And principles can be arranged hierarchically, cascading downwards in specificity, a one being unequally realized in the many (e.g., the body with its different organs, or the city government with its various departments is a good analogy here). The sciences are likewise arranged in this way.

Principles have a deep relationship to measure. As Aristotle points out, to know “ducks” or “three ducks” is necessary to know what constitutes a single duck, the measure of unity.

So then, a grasp of form is a prerequisite for having any thought with intelligible noetic content at all. “Sheer sense certainty” would be, as Hegel has it, contentless (although also quite impossible). I think Hegel’s example is also illustrative for why abstraction should not be treated as “less real;” for, if the intelligible is some sort of less real projection, then the stroke victim or the infant (the damaged or unformed mind) is the paragon of epistemic virtue, while the sage and scientist would be the furthest from fathoming being.

Whereas, on the ontic side, form is what makes anything to be any thing at all, which explains why it interacts one way and not any other. So even for the mind to have a determinate mode of empirical interaction with some nomena is to have already presupposed form.

Barring this relationship, there is no reason for the Kantian to even suppose that “appearances” are appearances; as Hegel and Kant’s other immediate followers point out, Kant is relying on sheer dogmatic assertion to ground this point. Phenomena are appearances of something else (through some obscure relationship that has him using causal language, but then denying it) because… “thus says Kant.” But appearances might as well be free standing apparitions if they bare no determinate relation to what they are appearances of (except if they were ex nihilo apparitions then why would they be one way and not any other?). It would be more coherent to embrace subjective idealism and phenomenalism and say appearances just are the reality and that they cause each other.

As Saint Bonaventure says, every “effect is a sign of a cause, and an example of an exemplar, and a way for the end, towards which
it leads,” and were we to deny this I am not sure why we would call them causes at all. Or at least, some determinate relationship must exist between cause and effect (and so reality and appearances) or else why posit an empty, meaningless, inert relationship in the first place?

The form then is the actuality that determines this relationship between cause and effect, reality and appearances.

Which is just to say, I think the terms themselves are potentially open to a lot of slippage. The other difficulty is that the measure of metaphysical theories today tends to be the modern scientific theory, and even more so the technological model. But as Aristotle says of ethics, one must reconcile oneself to the level of detail appropriate to each subject. When metaphysical theories try to become predictive models, or worse, fit into univocal formalisms, they become, frankly, absurd (just look at analytic mereology and the inane arguments over which lattice-theoretic model to use, where they all describe the same things but some have a cosmos that is one simple, others myriad simples, still others infinite gunky simples, etc.).

That’s probably my biggest take away here. The act of understanding, being itself the return to unity and rest in principles, uses discursive induction, deduction, models, dialectic, etc. as means of understanding. The common approach to these sorts of theories today mistakes the means with the ends, as if the one true discursive model would exhaust being, an assumption alien to Saint Thomas’s time.

This is perhaps a problem with the dominant usage of semiotics today, for all the benefits it has. Sometimes, it seems to lose track of participation and default into a wholly discursive web of sign relations. This grounds the relation outside to knowing subject, but it never actually ascends to the unitive act of understanding, what Aquinas calls the simplex apprehensio, the intellectual grasp in which the knower and the known become one in act, not discursively but in a kind of rest in nuptial union. Understanding is not just another move in the inferential web of signification; it is the telos of the discursive process itself, the point at which the mind actually has/is the form and is not merely processing representations or even signs of it.

(As an aside, I’ve seen Brain Kemple, one of Deely’s students, claim that Saint Augustine’s theory of signs essentially limits the sign to what would later be called instrumental signs. I don’t think this is really accurate, although it can seem that way because Augustine’s semiotics evolves and is scattered throughout theological works. What allows for the slippage he identifies is actually the removal of the participatory ontology Augustine uses, and to a lesser extent the nature/grace distinction in illumination, so that the instrumental sign eventually becomes separated for the act of understanding itself).

Again I think it’s because of the subjectivised nature of thought in the modern period. Noted in The Embodied Mind (p146)

“Prior to Descartes, the term ‘idea’ was used only for the contents of the mind of God; Descartes was the first to take this term and apply it to the workings of the human mind. This linguistic and conceptual shift is just one aspect of what Richard Rorty describes as the " invention of the mind as a mirror of nature," an invention that was’ the result of patching together heterogenous images, conceptions, and linguistic usages.”

(In his replies to Hobbes’s objections, Descartes wrote, “I take the term ‘idea’ to stand for whatever the mind directly perceives. . . . I employed this term because it was the tenn currently used by the Philosophers for the fonns of perception of the Divine mind, though we can discern no imagery in God; besides ( had no more suitable term.”

I agree ‘principle’ is a better term, in fact it might even be a better translation for ‘eidos’ than ‘idea’.

So, in All Things Are Full of Gods Hart makes the further point that mechanistic causation reduces to arbitrary brute fact in the Humean model, and so from the perspective of epistemology causes are just correlations.

I don’t think Kant really resolves this, he just relocates it. Causality, as Enlightenment mechanistic temporal ordering, becomes a prerequisite for experience. But this just relocates the brute fact.

Plus, while surely there is something to this need for temporal ordering, it is a simple historical fact that most cultures have not understood causality in this way. It’s the product of particular, contingent evolutions in early modern theology. So then it doesn’t seem to be a precondition for all experience (except in the very loose sense that is arguably already covered by time itself).

I have seen defenders of Kant try to clear this objection by claiming he is actually referring to the “European Enlightenment mind.” The problem here is that, if the forms of intuition are specifically human and perhaps specifically cultural, then the transcendental deduction doesn’t establish necessity in any robust sense. Rather, it merely describes a contingent feature of how a particular kind of mind happens to be structured. But then the fact that causality is limited to the structures of that same mind actually makes explaining this in any robust sense utterly impossible. One cannot appeal to the formative power of biology, culture, history, etc. in any sense that transcends the mind that is already structured by those things.

Kant’s move was not simply to reject Aristotelian metaphysics; it was to argue that we cannot straightforwardly infer the structure of reality from the structure of cognition. What we can analyze are the conditions under which objects appear intelligible to us. So the Kantian question becomes transcendental rather than metaphysical.

From a Kantian viewpoint, it misses the point to claim that the premodern worldview didn’t experience the subject–object divide, therefore the Thomistic framework remains viable. For Kant, the mind’s drive toward the unconditioned generates regulative ideas of reason, not metaphysical knowledge of being. Kant’s subjective ‘conditions of possibility’ were then preconceived by phenomenologists and enactivists as a reciprocal subject-object dance whereby agents and environments co-constitute meaningful affordances.

If intellect and being belong to the same intelligible order, this is because they are inseparable dimensions of adaptive participatory processes, not the expression of a prior metaphysical order. The mind doesnt participate in intelligibility, as though intelligibility were something that subsisted in the world prior to the mind’s involvement with it. The constructive activity of mind in world simply IS intelligibility.

It seems to me that what gets “grasped” is the intuition of quantity which is common to us and to (at least some) animals. It seems reasonable to think that all animals make cognitive distinctions, most primally between self and other, and this always already involves a grasp (at least an instinctive intuition) of quantity.

I don’t agree with Lonergan in thinking of sensory data as “phantasm”. As I see it, sense experience is the arch paradigm of concrescence, of the concrete, and it is primordially replete with diversity and hence with quantity.

I’m not very familiar with Maritain’s philosophy, but I wonder whether he needs to concede Kant’s dualistic division of being as “in itself” and “for us”. You seem to assume that he does concede that distinction. However it seems to me that that if we simply equate being with experience, we avoid the “bifurcation of Nature” (Whitehead) that is the genesis of this polemic. Via experience we do “reach being”―the only being we can ever know.

We can reflect on the structure of the only reality we can ever know―that of reality as experienced―from the structure of cognition, and thus come to some understanding of it. That said, the richness of experience is beyond our conceptual grasp, and thus our models will never capture it adequately. The map can never be the territory.

So here we find reality not as a fixed metaphysical order that the mind discovers.Rather, what counts as intelligible reality arises through the interaction between mind and world. Ruling out metaphysical models like theism or Platonism?

So here we find reality not as a fixed metaphysical order that the mind discovers.Rather, what counts as intelligible reality arises through the interaction between mind and world. Ruling out metaphysical models like theism or Platonism?

I’ll mention a passage I often quote from Eric Perl,Thinking Being: An Introduction to Metaphysics in the Classical Tradition. Here the discussion is about the nature of the idea, eidos. The point being made is that these are not objects nor things. They are, as Timothy remarks above, more like principles, that can only be grasped by reason.

Forms…are radically distinct, and in that sense ‘apart,’ in that they are not themselves sensible things. With our eyes we can see large things, but not largeness itself; healthy things, but not health itself. The latter, in each case, is an idea, an intelligible content, something to be apprehended by thought rather than sense, a ‘look’ not for the eyes but for the mind. This is precisely the point Plato is making when he characterizes forms as the reality of all things. “Have you ever seen any of these with your eyes?—In no way … Or by any other sense, through the body, have you grasped them? I am speaking about all things such as largeness, health, strength, and, in one word, the reality (ouisia) of all other things, what each thing is” (Phd. 65d4–e1). Is there such a thing as health? Of course there is. Can you see it? Of course not. This does not mean that the forms are occult entities floating ‘somewhere else’ in ‘another world,’ a ‘Platonic heaven.’ It simply says that the intelligible identities which are the reality, the whatness, of things are not themselves physical things to be perceived by the senses, but must be grasped by reason (p 28).

From Lloyd Gerson, Platonism vs Naturalism (lecture), in very compressed form:

Aristotle, in De Anima, argued that thinking in general (which includes knowledge as one kind of thinking) cannot be a property of a body; it cannot, as he put it, ‘be blended with a body’. This is because in thinking, the intelligible object or form is present in the intellect, and thinking itself is the identification of the intellect with this intelligible. Among other things, this means that you could not think if materialism is true… . Thinking is not something that is, in principle, like sensing or perceiving; this is because thinking is a universalising activity. This is what this means: when you think, you see - mentally see - a form which could not, in principle, be identical with a particular - including a particular neurological element, a circuit, or a state of a circuit, or a synapse, and so on. This is so because the object of thinking is universal, or the mind is operating universally.

….the fact that in thinking, your mind is identical with the form that it thinks, means (for Aristotle and for all Platonists) that since the form ‘thought’ is detached from matter, ‘mind’ is immaterial too.

Compare that with the passage quoted in the original post:

As I was discussing with @EQV above, the key point about these passages is that of the idea as being ‘grasped by reason’ which means a principle or form that is comprehended or understood. When you understand what health is, or largeness, or the form ‘triangle’, you grasp something of a determinate nature that is not specific to any particular.

So:

Consider that when you think about triangularity, as you might when proving a geometrical theorem, it is necessarily perfect triangularity that you are contemplating, not some mere approximation of it. Triangularity as your intellect grasps it is entirely determinate or exact; for example, what you grasp is the notion of a closed plane figure with three perfectly straight sides, rather than that of something which may or may not have straight sides or which may or may not be closed. Of course, your mental image of a triangle might not be exact, but rather indeterminate and fuzzy. But to grasp something with the intellect is not the same as to form a mental image of it. For any mental image of a triangle is necessarily going to be of an isosceles triangle specifically, or of a scalene one, or an equilateral one; but the concept of triangularity that your intellect grasps applies to all triangles alike. Any mental image of a triangle is going to have certain features, such as a particular color, that are no part of the concept of triangularity in general. A mental image is something private and subjective, while the concept of triangularity is objective and grasped by many minds at once.

Edward Feser, Some Brief Arguments for Dualism.

There’s always the tendency, on the other hand, to depict the idea as a ‘static unchanging thing’. But ideas or principles or forms are not things at all, and in that sense, they’re not existent, but they’re real in a different sense to phenomena.

Thanks. I’m curious as to what @joshs thinks of framing like “real in a different sense to phenomena” Are our ideas really external to how we apprehend the world, or are we in that very act creating and interpreting rather than discovering? That seems to be the key question.

From an enactivist standpoint, I would have thought that reason may not be a faculty that grasps the intrinsic structure of reality, but part of the activity through which we make sense of the world through embodied engagement. Would not the enactivist hold that mathematics is not the discovery of an independent realm, but a refined practice that emerges from the ways we structure and coordinate our experience? I know you favour Platonism. I’m unqualified to take a position on this although as a modernist, my sympathies are (rightly or wrongly) “metaphysically quietist”. :wink:

From his earlier reply to me:

I take the reference to ‘adaptive participatory processes’ to be a naturalistic framing of the question. Whereas the suggestion from the Thomist sources I’ve been quoting is that rational insight into universals in some sense transcends naturalism. That seems to me to be the real fault line here.

The classical tradition prior to modernity saw reason (nous ) as both a reflection and an instrument of universal reason. Reason (logos ) was understood as something that interpenetrates, indeed animates, the cosmos.

That idea originates in pre-Christian philosophy, although it later became assimilated into Christian theology, where Logos became identified with the Word. The apogee of that synthesis was Aquinas’ incorporation of Aristotle, hence the Aristotelian-Thomist (A-T) tradition. Edward Feser, whom I quoted earlier, is a contemporary advocate of that tradition, while Lloyd Gerson is one of the leading scholars of Platonism.

Platonism and Naturalism, Lloyd Gerson

Gerson contends that Platonism identifies philosophy with a distinct subject matter, namely, the intelligible world, and seeks to show that the naturalist rejection of Platonism entails the elimination of a distinct subject matter for philosophy. Thus, the possibility of philosophy depends on the truth of Platonism.

A large part of the Enlightenment revolt against religion wished to purge itself of all such influences. Kant was a part of that. This was also excacerbated by Luther’s hostility towards Aquinas’ assimilation of Aristotle (ref). Scholastic realism was reviled by the Enlightenment philosophers and the Protestant reformers alike. Hence modern naturalism developed largely as a reaction against, and defined in opposition to, scholastic realism.

However in my view, something of fundamental philosophical significance was lost in all of this. Hence my interest! I’m not Catholic, but the A-T school are among the last representatives of classical Greek rationalism. But then, something of classical metaphysics lives on in Husserl’s ‘ideal objects’ and even in Heidegger’s re-appraisal of it. (Besides even those who say there is no metaphysics are asserting a metaphysic.)

Enactivism gives a persuasive account of the origins of mathematical thinking in embodied cognitive practices. But that is a story about the genesis of mathematical concepts. It doesn’t follow that the structures explored in advanced mathematics are reducible to those practices. Once mathematics becomes a theoretical exploration of abstract structures, the scope of what can be investigated vastly exceeds anything that could be embodied or enacted.

Also, bear in mind what I said above about mathematical entities not being phenomenally existent. So much of the argument about mathematical Platonism is about, if you say number exists independently, then where? in what way? In an ‘ethereal realm’? I think that is simply because we’re so habituated to naturalism that we can only conceive of reals in terms of location. But the ‘domain of natural numbers’ is not actually a domain in the sense of a location. It’s purely intellectual. But it’s still real - 2 and 4 are part of it, but √−1 (found extensively in sub-atomic physics) is not.

I sometimes quote an article What is Math, in the Smithsonian Magazine, which says:

Scientists tend to be empiricists; they imagine the universe to be made up of things we can touch and taste and so on; things we can learn about through observation and experiment. The idea of something existing “outside of space and time” makes empiricists nervous: It sounds embarrassingly like the way religious believers talk about God, and God was banished from respectable scientific discourse a long time ago.

But ordinary numbers exist ‘outside space and time’. I can count to ten, but it doesn’t mean I believe in God. It’s just typical of the confusion around this subject.