The Philosophical Law of Self-Interest - in Economics

Previously, in the “Ethics” category, I published several posts on the negative effects of the law of self-interest in society—as the primary source of injustice and evil on earth—and in “Social Philosophy,” I discussed it as the main cause of corruption. At the time, I promised to provide examples of its positive effects in various spheres of public life at a later date. This article is the first (but not the last) attempt in this direction. This time, we’ll focus on the economy.

In the fields of economics and trade within market economies, the law of self-interest operates at 100 percent. Here, it can safely be called the law of personal gain. The goal of any economic entity—whether industrial, agricultural, commercial, transportation, construction, or any other sector—is to obtain economic and material gain, or profit. But it has long been clear to all entrepreneurs that their personal economic interest (benefit) directly depends on how successfully they meet the personal interests of the consumers of their goods and services. Here, the interests of both parties are effectively and mutually satisfied.

Only in the socialist economic system was the goal of the economy “the fuller satisfaction of the ever-growing needs of the working people.” But there was practically no personal—and above all, material—interest on the part of producers. What to produce and in what quantities was decided by the “State Planning Committee” (Derzhplan)—the main body that planned virtually the entire state economy.

And although economic efficiency of enterprise operations was also required there—and to this end, so-called “economic calculation” was even actively introduced—quite a few enterprises were actually unprofitable and relied on state subsidies. Their primary task was to produce a particular product, regardless of its profitability. Profitability and profit came second; first and foremost was what the country and the people needed. Such was the guiding principle of the socialist system.

The goal was noble, to say the least. The socialist economic system had its strengths: the ability to concentrate resources in specific areas, massive construction projects, rapid development in certain industries, stability, certain advantages of a planned economy, a focus on serving the interests of workers, and a few others. As for the shortcomings—low profitability, inefficiency, mismanagement, wastefulness, laxity, and so on—we would gradually overcome them. It seemed both sensible and appealing. But years and decades passed. And what was the result?

The “outdated” capitalist economic system (in developed capitalism) has repeatedly outperformed the “developed” socialist one—first and foremost in terms of efficiency, as well as in terms of technical and technological advancement.

But what’s interesting is that even in terms of “meeting the ever-growing needs of the working people” (although this, it would seem, should not have been the goal of capitalist production at all, since the goal is profit), capitalism also far surpassed socialism. And Soviet citizens, who were increasingly traveling abroad, were constantly reminded of this.

When a Soviet person found themselves abroad and walked into a supermarket, they were literally stunned by the sight of thousands of the most diverse manufactured goods, half of which they couldn’t even fathom what they were meant for! And in the grocery aisles, they’d see dozens of kinds of sausages, cheeses, meat products, vegetables, and fruits; fresh greens lying on refrigerated shelves, constantly covered in a layer of moisture! And all of this, no matter the season! And all at affordable prices for anyone who works, as well as retirees. And she’s bound to exclaim, “But this is communism!” ??? And then she’ll wonder: How could such communism have come about in anti-communist capitalism!!!

And why did this happen? The reason, once again, is that same universal and all-powerful law of personal gain! Business owners, as well as their managers at all levels, have a personal—and, above all, financial—interest in high production efficiency, which is driven by consumer demand. Moreover, it turned out that it is also in the owner’s interest for his employees to earn a living and live a normal, dignified life. After all, when they do, they work better and are less likely to leave the company. At the same time, they thereby maintain (on a national scale) high purchasing power, thus contributing to the development of economic sectors—including that of the specific owner’s enterprise.

At the same time, however, workers’ effective struggle for their personal interests has shown capitalists that it is in their own best interest to meet workers’ demands; otherwise, they risk losing everything (through strikes or even revolutions).

To be fair, we must not forget that in its early stages, capitalism was far more brutal: there were crises and unemployment. But we also remember the no less brutal times of famine and total shortages of consumer goods under Soviet socialism.

And I believe that the gradual realization that balancing the personal interests of different segments of the population—primarily business owners and workers in developed capitalist societies—is in their mutual self-interest has brought the situation to a fairly satisfactory level.

It must be said that the state also addressed the issue of curbing manifestations of aggressive selfishness harmful to society—including by regulating a normal wage level through the establishment of a mandatory minimum wage.

In the socialist system, the personal interest and personal stake (primarily material) of those involved in production—particularly enterprise managers—were weak and did not adequately contribute to production efficiency. This has been demonstrated and proven thousands of times, first and foremost by life itself.

And how could an economy, in which the primary task was not economic but social, possibly keep up with a (capitalist) economy, in which the goal of economic activity was an economic one?!

And what did we end up with? Look at the socialist states with their socially oriented economies. And the root cause remains the same! Capitalism (especially in the economy) did not fight against the law of personal gain (which is objective and cannot be overcome), but rather exploited it. Socialism, on the other hand, spent its entire existence fighting against it, seeking to place social interests above personal ones and to re-educate people.

Remember (for those who studied it) the third task of building communism—the creation of a new person who would think precisely in this way: with a focus on society rather than on the individual. But they failed to take into account that the law of self-interest is objective and cannot be overcome. It must be utilized. We should, first and foremost, utilize its positive aspects and, whenever possible, minimize the negative ones

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Let me first quote Adam Smith:

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with this principle of capitalism and self interest which drives the economy I must add that society without charity is lost as it leaves behind those who may have had unfortunate luck in their quest for riches or a better life … so much for the American Dream anyway …

I’m a proponent of some type of socialism to help those who have fallen on hard times after all Fortunes can change. Hoarding wealth is pointless and unnecessary it may buy you material things but perhaps or even some kind of love but you may still be lost. there’s no way a billionaire could spend their money in this lifetime and they can’t take it to the grave with them either.

Legacy is fine though and I don’t mind nepo children so much.

Hence taxation to fund welfare. In any case there’s more to life than wealth generation there’s pursuit of arts learning truth entertainment etc.

which brings me to a point … did you know that the writer of Harry Potter was on welfare when writing her books ? Now imagine a world without such a safety net … she would be I suppose be forced to do some mundane job which might have deprived her of her creativity.

Geniuses such as Einstein Tesla etc were not millionaire’s as such, although einsteins wealth might need to be fact checked here. In essence what I’m saying is that money is not everything … sure it’s nice to have I’m not denying that but being a an entrepreneur compared to say a scientist are different things and although both contribute to society ones value lies on how they’re able to progress humanity forward. Not that im saying being a scientist and entrepreneur are mutually exclude for one could be both.

Apologies if this came across as rambling

But that only works in a regulated economy with effective control of monopolies.

Even then it has not proved sustainable and nor has it been just on a global scale.

Most Western Capitalist Societies have been progressively reformed to ensure welfare.

That partly due to welfare reforms in Western Societies

I agree but that rathar dilutes your analysis that it’s all about self interest

@invicta
Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comment.

  1. When I was writing this chapter of my major work on the law of self-interest, I was living in the Soviet Union and, like most Soviet citizens, knew nothing about funding social security through the taxation of capitalists’ high incomes. That is why I did not include this in my text at the time. When publishing it on our forum, I merely added a hypothetical scenario involving a Soviet person in a supermarket—after I had temporarily resided in the U.S. and witnessed firsthand the extraordinary variety of consumer goods I had described, as well as their affordability, even for retirees.
  2. I recently came across this quote of Adam Smith’s that you mentioned. It clearly and concisely expresses what I’ve been describing at such length here, but I forgot to find it while preparing this topic for the forum. I’ll try to include it in my text. Thank you!
  3. “I must add that a society without charity is lost, since it leaves behind those who may not have been fortunate in their pursuit of wealth or a better life…”
    I completely agree with you!
    But:
  • First, as you can see for yourself, capitalism hasn’t forgotten this at all and has resolved this issue, in my view, quite effectively.
  • And second, without preventing capitalists from getting rich—thanks to whom this opportunity for social care and support for the arts exists in the first place. I’ve been to the Getty Center and was not only deeply impressed by its beauty but also found myself thinking that this was made possible first and foremost by the capital of the capitalist Getty!
  1. “I am a supporter of a certain kind of socialism…”
    That’s exactly the point: not only you, but also millions of people—supporters of socialism and communism—simply cannot (excuse me) understand that communist ideas are a utopia, which by definition cannot be reality. It is a construct that attempts to subjugate the objective laws of human existence—including the objective natural law of self-interest—to its speculative desires. Hence the violence against people, the concentration camps, and the executions, because nothing worked on a voluntary basis (since it is, after all, a utopia)—which is precisely what I am trying to demonstrate in this thread of mine.
    At the same time, people forget that socialism—communism, when actually implemented—brings with it, in addition to the noble ideas of equality and justice, a huge number of negative consequences that turn everything upside down and ultimately produce the exact opposite of what was intended, first and foremost in the economy, and subsequently in many other areas as well. The example of the USSR and the entire former socialist bloc is vivid proof of this!
  2. As for humanity’s progress, driven by scientists on the path of civilization’s development, I will write about that, most likely, in my next post.
    I’d also like to remind you that in the “Ethics” category on this forum, I’ve published a number of related posts that might interest you.

I watched a Star Trek episode and I forget whether it was the main plot but there’s a 2 minute conversation where one of the astronauts says, “we don’t have money” or something like that. The conversation drifts into music and how computers aid them in creative tasks. A see a few lessons here.

What will the economy look like in a thousand years? Will there be zillionaires?

Rational self-interest is a notion that dominated economic thought since Adam Smith. Modern economists, however, have begun questioning it. Individuals often make irrational economic decisions based on loss aversion, overconfidence, or buying things on “sale” when they aren’t actually inexpensive (among other things).

In addition, the assumption that “economic man” is self -interested is now being questioned. People seek status as well as financial gain, which often leads them to behave in “uneconomic man” ways. In addition, people are naturally altruistic (think of parents – all mammalian mothers give scarce resources to their children, and humans do it regularly). Behavioral economics (about which I know a bare minimum) takes these factors into account.

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@Ekurb

  • “Rational egoism is a concept that has dominated economic thought since the time of Adam Smith. However, modern economists have begun to question it.”
    Modern economists can question whatever they want, but capitalism—just as it emerged in Smith’s time—continues to thrive. It was driven by personal gain then, and it still is. Just as it was beneficial for people to have an infinitely wide variety of goods at affordable prices, so it remains. And if anyone is tired of capitalism, let them start building communism all over again. Even the Communist Party of China has embraced capitalism in its economy and has made giant strides forward!

  • “People often make irrational economic decisions”
    And do these decisions prevail over rational ones in the economy?

  • “Moreover, people are altruistic by nature (think of parents—all mammalian mothers provide their offspring with limited resources, and humans do this regularly). ”
    Don’t take my word for it—think of Epicurus, Hobbes, Freud, Schopenhauer, and Spinoza, who consistently asserted that all people are, by nature, selfish. In any case, they are that way from birth. And think of psychology, which scientifically proves childhood selfishness. And look at your own and other people’s young children—how “altruistic” are they? Purely selfish, and aggressive at that.
    And also remember that I’ve written many times that I regard a parent’s care for their children as a personal interest that is even stronger and more personal than the own. Isn’t that obvious?

—I didn’t know what a “non-economic person” was; I looked it up on Google. I think this category includes all altruists, as well as a considerable number of rational egoists. Again, I’ve written repeatedly that this is the case, but it doesn’t negate the main driving force of the capitalist economy—personal economic gain as a component of the law of self-interest.

No doubt the traditional “economic man” is a factor in driving the capitalist economy. However, he is often motivated by factors other than financial gain and often acts irrationally in pursuit of that gain. Time and time again captains of industry refuse to change a disastrous course because their egos won’t let them admit that the course they chose was a bad one. People buy cars three times more expensive than practical because they think ownership confers social status. Gamblers remember fondly the night on which they won $1000 and forget the three losing nights. Self-interest is one motive in economic behavior, but modern economists (about whom I am relatively ignorant) see other motives as being important as well.

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It’s hard for me to respond to your post because it’s not clear what they meant. If it’s what I read in the “Summary” section—which suggests that money will disappear altogether—then that’s precisely what the communist idea, taken from Thomas More’s Utopia, envisions.
The title of the book speaks for itself.

:grin: The mystery of the disappearing money. Self-interest is when we show interest in ourselves. Economics simply incorporates that into any model they construct. Will the model work? Why wouldn’t it. After all we have the most important piece of the puzzle.