The Paradox of Analytic Philosophy

Philosophy declares the highest of human ambitions: to break free from religious superstition, to understand Nature and the Human, and to help mankind. For Nature, it worked; the philosophy of nature became scientific knowledge. For the knowledge of the Human, however, it is a stagnant swamp; there has been absolutely no progress. I would even say it is a beyond-total failure: philosophy seems to have culminated in the destruction of the human. Classical philosophy ended with Hegel’s dialectics, which very logically auto-dialectized itself from dialectical idealism into dialectical materialism, implemented as the dictatorship of the Soviet proletariat, with the pathetic anti-Marxist reaction of Nazism as collateral damage. Two World Wars as a result, and the end—the Hegelian Owl of Minerva—embodied in this perfectly realized final figure of philosophy: Pol Pot (who was trained in philosophy and Marxism in France, in my own city of Lyon).

Analytic philosophy places itself high above classical philosophy: it explains how the latter’s statements actually have no sense, no meaning. Finally! Thanks to analytic philosophy and its analytical methods, philosophical statements will finally make sense, and we will finally do real philosophy!

OK, what are the results?

My first confrontation with analytic philosophy, which opened my eyes to this discipline, took place at the Jean Piaget Center in Geneva, where I developed the MCogito metaphysical system as part of an AI thesis. A prominent analytic philosopher whose name I have forgotten came to speak to us, and as an example of actual philosophical analysis, he gave the case of a train station clock repairman who checks a clock at the Gare de Lyon in Paris, sees that it reads 4 o’clock just like his own watch, and proceeds to the next station. In reality, the clock is broken and stuck at 4 o’clock. The “work” of analytic philosophy consists of analyzing whether the sentence “the clock tells the right time” is true.

Unfortunately, there is no adjective insulting enough to express the philosophical absurdity of such an activity. We all have mobile phones; nobody looks at train station clocks anymore. Pondering the accuracy of station clocks has absolutely zero interest. Even in the 19th century, no traveler ever questioned the truth-value of the displayed time in a scenario where it had just been validated by the clock repairman while simultaneously being broken. Frankly, I cannot even imagine anything more insignificant in terms of philosophical interest. We are beyond insignificance; we are dealing with something else entirely, and you will soon see what.

And every single time I have been confronted with analytic philosophy, it was the exact same staggering philosophical autism. I went to a conference in Lyon about the English philosopher Anscombe regarding a moral problem, and the analytical example she gave was so utterly nonsensical that I honestly thought there was a syntax error in the translation!

Right here on this very forum, I put an end in a single post to the insanity of the Newcomb’s Paradox thread and its 700 posts—a true hamster wheel of analytic philosophy—by demonstrating that it was merely a time-travel paradox camouflaged under an attribute of omniscience.

Faced with such a level of absurdity, a falsity that can only be described as deranged, an alarm goes off in my head flashing: “religion… religion… religion…”

That is when I remembered that analytic philosophy emerged within a Protestant environment, and I finally understood its religious nature. I realized that it is merely the expression of a Yahvic terror:

Indeed, Protestants returned to the Jewish Bible; they returned to Yahweh, the ultra-violent, genocidal, psychopathic god of all other religious thought. Yet, the primary stance of philosophy is the absolute destruction of religious doxa, the destruction of the superstitious insanity of supernatural religious claims. The autistic insignificance of analytic philosophy unconsciously allows them to reconcile this with philosophical grandeur—to dress themselves in the majesty of the greatest human achievement on this planet, Greek philosophy—while remaining terrified Yahvic zombies.

Am I implying that you Anglo-Saxons do not think, that you have no access to philosophical thought, that you only have access to the commodification of the world and of the human being under the guise of Yahvic election? Absolutely!

Am I implying that the only true philosophical thought is what you disdainfully call, from the heights of your autistic syntactic stereotypies, “Continental philosophy”? Absolutely not!

The simple truth, the blindingly obvious fact, is that philosophy as the living frontier of human exploration was put to death by Judeo-Christian totalitarian monotheistic supernaturalism 2,000 years ago. In a matter of decades, it ended Greco-Roman civilization with its degenerate, inverted morality straight out of the desert—a morality that inverts the real lasts into the moral firsts, and the real firsts into the moral lasts. You can no longer be a First of Thought (a Greek), or a First of Engineering (a Roman), when the firsts are mandated to be the lasts, and when the supreme moral value consists in laying down your sword and turning the other cheek.

Every single guy called a “philosopher” after this catastrophe is either a literal believer or someone who discusses “God” with the utmost seriousness. They are not philosophers; they are monotheized subjects, unconscious cryptic Judeo-Christians, Yahvic zombies.

The Hegelian completion of philosophy was merely the metaphysical completion of Judeo-Christianity: dialectics is nothing more than a metaphysical reformulation of the contradictory inversion of the lasts into the firsts, and the firsts into the lasts.

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  1. Philosophy is not solely foused on dismatling ‘religious superstitions’ but is about leading a life of virtue while pursuing wisdom and disintegration of ill-belives are a part of that but not the whole point.
  2. “philosophy seems to have culminated in the destruction of the human”

but you seem to exalt the Ancient Greeks, but they invented Philosophy itself and all these ‘poisonous ideas’ (and good ones) can be trased back to them.

  1. The Historicity is lacking in depth as many more factors played bigger part in the Two World Wars (Economic, Imperial etc;)
  2. Saying ‘Pol Pot is the final figure of Philosophy’ is utterly mistaken, would being influenced by Christianity(or it’s anti-thesis) into writing this make you the final figure of Christianity (or Atheism). A lot of cultural context was due.
  3. The ‘Clock’ or-deal, lets put it this way;

That problem was never the time shown but the reasons to belive in the time, i.e he knows that it says 4 in the station clock(which is broken), and its 4 irl, therefore he belives that the public clock tells the correct time, but this handicaps us from the ability to say that ‘he knows the clock is correct’ as his justification is based on luck (coincidence).

  1. A lot of your personal disdain falls through this ‘argument’ which reduces it’s tenability, escpecially clear in the words you use like ‘autism’, ‘zombie’, ‘deranged’ (ad hominem)

  2. You judge Analytical philosophy using it’s orgin conditions, therefore can i say that you belive in the pagan superstitions that influnced Greek Philosophy.

  3. Saying christianity ended All Philosophy is just factually wrong. The critique itself is philosophical—therefore philosophy is not dead. You have a Philosophy, thus making you a philosopher, and i assume you are discussing god with seriousness, even if thats refuting him, well if you are; you will be a

    if you arent, then you will be a person who regards his own points with no seriousness.

  4. No Evidence for outrageous claims, like; Real philosophy ended with the orgin of christianity, and statements like “Every single guy called a “philosopher” ”, while undermining the influence of Islamic and Vedantic philosophies.

  5. “It is the mark of a higher culture to value small, unobtrusive truths above all loud, dazzling errors.” -F.N

and i am sorry if i have misunderstood any claim of yours, make sure to clarify my mistakes :slightly_smiling_face:

You didn’t do anything. You refused to engage with the actual Newcomb problem because it is “trivial,” but you don’t even spell out what the rational decision is.

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You truly believe the question was about clocks specifically and the liklihood that the hypothetical could have actually occurred? If that truly is your objection, then the issue rests with an inability to abstract and to use examples to clarify the underlying abstraction. Analogizing, use of metaphor, and non-literal interpretation isn’t unique to analytical philosophy, but is just basic logic and reasoning.

The Abrahamic religions are hardly confined to (and certainly didn’t originate from) Anglo-Saxons. Is “Anglo-Saxon” just a way of saying “white people”?

In any event, connecting the dots from your anger about the clock thought experiment to your disdain for Western religion isn’t worthwhile. It’s clearly just a rant in a variety of directions.

Whatever legitimate arguments against analytic philosophy that might be made haven’t been made by you here.

I agree with your comment on the Newcomb’s Paradox thread. But analytic philosophy could be very useful tool to dissect and analyse on the meaning of words, or statements without being religious, when someone is making cloudy confused claims on philosophical topics.

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@DSJ: Listen, when I write, I am elaborating a speculative rhetoric for the Mind. It is designed so that a philosophical mind other than my own can access levels of causality where the aporias—demonstrated in the title and exposed in the introductory paragraphs—are finally resolved. It points to the causal level where 1=1, where these aporias simply vanish.

There is absolutely nothing in your reply regarding the foundational aporia of my post: the extraordinary incompatibility between the grandiose pretensions of analytic philosophy and what it actually produces. My post completely resolves this aporia.

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I will attempt a bit of rhetoric anyway, but [stripped] Question: Did analytic philosophy choose to call itself “analytic linguistics” (which is all it actually is)? No. It explicitly chose the name analytic philosophy, thereby fully assuming the primary goals of Philosophy. So why is it reduced to nothing more than linguistic analysis? My post answers this exact question.

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@Sunnnnny: Clearly, you fail to understand that my argument regarding the temporal antilogy absolutely forbids any internal reasoning within Newcomb’s paradox. It annihilates the problem upstream.

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OK can you help us and be explicit what the clock story was really about? (well, I’ll spare you that effort: I perfectly guess it’s about some non-sense application of propositional logic on human language, alike Chomsky does it. My purpose was to show that this is insane from the real meaningful human situation (travelers). Using pseudo-mathematical logic is just aping scientific seriousness where it has nothing to live on.

I’m pretty sure it has to do with whether getting the right answer for the wrong reason counts as knowledge.

The ironic absurdity is your belief you’ve shown insight by engaging in overliteralism that resulted in a complete misundertanding of the conversation.

Aesop’s fox claimed the grapes he could not reach were likely sour. Is the point of that story to show the human instinct to dismiss what they can’t have as worthless or does it show how profoundly stupid Aesop was in thinking that foxes could talk? I mean how in the world could a fox of all things have such complex psychological reactions to its inability to secure the grapes it wanted?

No, no, no. The Aesop analogy completely falls apart, and I am not the moron you are trying to paint me as.

Aesop’s story is profoundly about human feeling. Everyone understands the metaphor because it strikes precisely at a real, fundamental human philosophical need.

Your broken clock metaphor, on the contrary, is about absolutely nothing human. It fulfills zero basic philosophical needs. It is strictly an “epistemological” puzzle for institutional thought-clerks. It is mere “propositional logic”—meaningless, pseudo-mathematical arguing that academic clerks desperately need to generate so they can publish papers, justify attending annual seminars, and maybe hope to have their one pathetic sexual adventure of the year. Frankly, that biological urge is the only real human element in this entire analytic charade. :smiley:

So, your answer actualy perfectly confirms my exact argument: analytic “philosophy” is insanely nonsensical to any genuine, living philosophy, and my post diagnoses exactly why.

If you’re mounting a critique of philosophical approaches which take propositional logic to be fundamental to the understanding of human thinking, I’m all for it. You’ve trashed analytic philosophy and Hegel, which is fine with me, and also Nietzsche, which I’m not so fine with. But what those writers who are as unimpressed as you about the value of formal logic? Some of them (Wittgenstein, Rorty) think philosophy has outlived its usefulness. Others think philosophy can survive without the crutch of S is P.

Nobody has ever used Aristotle’s formal logic—or any other logic—to actually think or talk to people! It is merely the first step for the syntax of mathematical texts, and that’s it. So this just proves that logic crybabies like Wittgenstein and Rorty initially hoped it could be the case, that it might actually formalize usual human thinking. They are truly small thinkers with absolutely zero judgment; I don’t even put them on the same level as Nietzsche.

That doesn’t really seem to have been your initial point where you dissected the literal events of the clock thought experiment and explained how those things could not really happen so the question asked was not meaningful.

Here you admit that the literal unliklihood of the actual events transpiring in the clock story are irrelevant, but that what is relevant is that the question it asks is not important because it affects no one’s lived experience. That is, whether anyone looks at clocks anymore has no bearing on the importance of the question, but what does is the underlying meaning.

So, regardless of how we got here, your point is that philosophy must answer to something impactful in people’s lives else it shouldn’t count as philosophy, because otherwise it’s just mathematical, logical computations designed to fill the minds of geeks and nerds.

I guess my question is why you get such insult from the intellectual meanderings of those hard left brain folks who see value in logical mastery and in obtaining conceptual clarity. Can’t the mental games folks play be an important part of their lived experience worthy of pursuit?

It just seems to be that deep philosophical thought often comes with little utility just by its nature, and what value it does provide, when it actually does provide value, isn’t truly measurable, but is just generalized appreciation and understanding of the world or it even might amount to just marveling at the mystery. So if value is reducible to just the lived experience of the experiencer, I can’t really negate the value obtained from analytics either.

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Are you saying early in their careers Wittgenstein and Rorty held formal logic in a regard that they later rejected? If so, why does this make them small thinkers. What specifically is small about the conclusions they reached about logic in their mature work?

Yes. A guy who thinks the goal of philosophy is formalization doesn’t understand shit about humanity (and formalization). And look at what these guys actually produced in general philosophy: where is the system?

Any guy calling himself a “philosopher” after Hegel doesn’t understand shit either. He doesn’t understand why philosophy has been definitively closed.

After Hegel, you are either a Marxist or a philosophical idiot. These guys are.

After Hegel came Marxism, but also existentialism, hermeneutics, phenomenology, structuralism and poststructuralism. Are all these movements for philosophical idiots? Are you as disdainful of contemporary approaches in physics, psychology, biology, anthropology and other empirical fields as you are of contemporary philosophy? You mentioned Piaget. What do you think of him?

I can see you may not be engaging with much beyond your pre-conceived beliefs here. Which is, probably un-ironically, decidedly unphilosophical.

I suppose I would suggest you leave off discussing your need to trash philosophy with people who are actively engaging in it with passion and aplomb.

Yes. Some are Marxists, some are idiots. Did you know Husserl never read Hegel? Human science are not real science in the sense physics is, it documents human experience that’s all.

I’m a metaphysician, I show how Reality works, I do real Philosophy that is telling the Truth, the trashing side is just rhetorical, bad style indeed but I’m too old to change that.

Your passion validate nothing, didn’t you had passion for a girl where everybody alarmed you “NOOOO not this one!” :smiley:

I cannot say I understand where you’re coming from, but I appreciate that you’re doing something. This seems to be a rather rough-around-the-edges personality you’ve got going.

Go for it, I suppose. I would just say that, as far as I can tell, you have not shown much. That may be on me, but it may be on yo :slight_smile: Onward we go..

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if you are really interested by philosophy then go to “first Philosophy” (Aristotle definition of metaphysics) and simply read my series on TPF on the MCogito system: it blast everything BUT without any “human” i.e. emotional involvement: sorry zero passion because it simply works, that why nobody is interested: what people are seeking in Philosophy is not flat working ideas, they want dominance, they want to rub their mind on the crotch of dominant names like Hegel, Deleuze, Derrida, etc. The call to Philosophy is merely a non-supernatural call to Religion.

If there were badges for bombasity, you’d have a full trophy cabinet :sweat_smile:

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