Let’s try to keep this civil.
Is it bogus to not want to be driven off of one’s land and then murdered in a tent-city on the edge of a desert? Is it bogus to resist the forces that have flattened every hospital, school, and home in your city? Do you really expect none of the Palestinians to violently resist being cleansed? I notice you have not objected to the inversion of Israel’s logic. If that stands, the occupation and accompanying war crimes definitely do justify armed opposition. We can argue, however, about whether or not racism is involved.
more than 70% of Palestinians supported 10/7.
There are also some interesting underlying positions that lead to these results: Palestinians are extremely reticent to accept that Hamas killed civilians or committed atrocities.
If I had lived my whole life in a concentration camp—as Gaza has been called by noteworthy observers—I’d also probably be hesitant to condemn something like October 7th. Do you know about the humanitarian minimum? Israel only let in enough calories for the Gazans to survive for years.
Lots of these people are simply not aware of the extend of hell Hamas visited on Israel
I think that any individual that is maimed, tortured, or otherwise not instantly and painlessly killed, or has witnessed or experienced such things happening to a loved one—or even a stranger—has, or would have, a claim to have experienced hell. That being said, the numbers matter. Gaza has, for instance, the highest number of child amputees in modern history. That is just one statistic among many indicating that the Palestinians’ suffering is abject. None of this is to mention all of the times Israel “mowed the lawn”. Do most Israelis acknowledge this reality? If they do, it would be consistent with being overly cruel—that is, if they believe that the actions taken during the war have largely been justified.
Israel quite literally responds to theocratic attacks, in the vast, vast majority of cases (not all, obviously).
I’m not sure what a “theocratic attack” is. If you mean religiously motivated, then yes, I’m sure some Hamas fighters genuinely wanted to kill Jews because they were antisemites on October 7th. I seem to remember some instances in which that was clearly the case. I don’t think that it necessarily makes that military action religiously motivated as a whole, though. In fact, it is clear that it wasn’t imo. If you could list some of these attacks that would be great.
Hamas routinely maims, kills, rapes, shields-with and starves their own people. Israel actually sends aid, warns about military operations and has killed next to no civilians even by Hamas’ own claims.
Okay, I’m not totally sure how to address these claims. First off, Hamas has operated in densely packed urban areas, but just because some hospital was connected to a tunnel system or something, that doesn’t mean they are using people as shields. It just means that they are doing what is effective given Israel’s clear technological edge. Blowing up said hospital because Hamas might be storing a few rifles beneath it is clearly a war crime. And no, Hamas doesn’t starve their own people, they do not systematically rape IDF soldiers, and Israel often times does not issue warnings about military operations in enough time or in clear enough terms, etc. I mean we have literal footage of the IDF double tapping (or maybe it was triple tapping) a hospital in Gaza.
And are tens of thousands of dead Gazans “next to no” dead civilians? You are confirming my point. The Palestinians are casually dehumanized and assumed to be worth less than other people.
- There is no geopolitical claim they can use to support military action
They are being cleansed and exterminated if not targeted for genocide.
- They are a theocractic government waging a religious war which can never be justified
Israel is basically an ethnostate in which most of the population does not accept that Palestinian children are innocent and has largely approved of measures that have produced a surfeit of child amputees. Can that be justified?
- Their actual aim is genocide. Literal, unadulterated genocide.
According to who? There is no clear evidence of that. And if you believed that were the case, and thought that Hamas could actually commit, or get close to committing, a genocide, then why wouldn’t you fully support Israel’s use of force in light of your almost complete lack of sympathy?
What would you actually have us do? Just let Israel crush the Palestinians into the ground largely because some men are trying to set things right as they see them? Yes, you and I disagree with the precepts of their flawed ideology, but they are doing what any of us would do if we had that same temerity. We really aren’t that different from them. And in the lack of any sort of universal, empathetic response to rein in one’s views or instincts on such matters, we’d all be tribes of ignoramuses wiping each other out over holy books, virulent political ideologies, etc. Does that sound desirable?