The concept of perpetual beggining

So I was watching a debate between Cliffe Knetchles and an atheist. At one point, the atheist mentioned that in the christian context, he wanted neither of the two afterlife possibilties. That for him, the concept of eternity seems overwhelming and unbearable. It made me visualize myself in his mindset and think about the future in eternity. I asked myself if im about to live through eternity, at what point will i be used to it and be able to say “okay, i have started living through eternity”? And i worked my way to a conclusion.

Lets say you get a 1 year contract with a company and it spans from January 1st X to January 1st Y. On January 1st X youre starting the contract, then lets say on June 15th, the middle between the beginning and the end, youre pretty much halfway through it, which means youre not starting anymore. Eventually, you will reach the end of your contract.

Now, lets apply this to eternity: You die and wake up to your new eternal life. Its day one, the beginning. The thing is there is no ending, so at what point will you reach the middle of eternity? Where do you establish the middle point on a line that starts but never ends? And if you havent reached the middle, you are still at the start. If not, where does the starting end? Eternal life begins, but never stops beggining. Its a perpetual beginning.

I found this thought experiment fascinating and fun and wanted to share it. I hope you guys will find it as intersting as i did.

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That is a question that bothers me in many ways. You get used to living when you entertain yourself with certain things for a long time. Given the fact that there is no end to eternal life, such life could be disastrous if there are not always new things to entertain oneself with.

You never reach the middle of eternity since you cannot reach eternity.

No, you pass the starting once you wait a little.

This then does not follow.

I think, even in your terms, the correct conclusion is it never stops progressing. The beginning of something is an event, conceptually. Your awakening is it. It’s over. It’s begun. You’re now in eternity and nothing more can be said about time. I think.

In religion, eternity usually does not mean infinite time, but rather some fundamentally different mode of existence.

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…for yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

The Universe might be imhabitable for 10^100 years. Half of that or the middle is 10^99.6

Prople are hardwired for novelty so even the time between now and the big freeze might feel a bit “samey”

What if something eternal or infinite isn’t a straight line but a loop? So, it goes on forever, but you could be in the middle of the loop. - Let me fix that lol, maybe not in the middle of the loop because the loop has no beginning, middle or end.

Problem here seems to be that there is no such thing as eternity. Eternity is just a concept made up in mind perhaps via imagination. When one dies, that is the end of the life.

The dead don’t wake up. There is no new eternal life. Maybe there is eternal death, but no eternal life.

I think its quite likely that time doesnt exist. That all things exist at the same point in space and time. In which case there is no afterlife because there is no before and after. What exists for us is the pattern we form within the whole.

So… a perpetual groundhog day.

Not my idea of paradise.

Yet again, setting out to make these theistic ideas coherent instead sets out how incoherent they are.

I don’t think you are using “space” and “time” in the way the rest of us do.

Time could be a language describing intervals. We use the expressions denoting the past, present and future in language. Time is in the expressions.

Living happens in the present. Death means there is no present, no possibility for future or anything.

Living beings can share things and moments and co-operate with the other living beings due to having the present. Dead cannot share, co-operate or be seen by the living because they lack the present.

Dead becomes the objects for thought and remembering by the living beings. Dead have the past as their history or memories. So time exists, but in different forms.

But if there is no living being in the world after apocalypse, does time exist? There will be changes, intervals and events of the material objects. But is it time?