Self interest and social good

Does self interested behaviour add to the shared satisfaction of other members of society

The central theorist here is Adam Smith. In his book “The Wealth of Nations” Smith claims that much of the wealth we enjoy comes from self interested individuals entering into an exchange economy. The pursuit of individual rewards results in cooperative enterprises, specialisation and trade all of which increases the overall wealth of those engaged in the economy.

As a view it has appeal because many people like to think that pursuing self interest is both materially enriching and morally good.

But despite it’s appeal, t is philosophically thin. Many philosopher see its conclusion as contingent. There is no clear reason why self interest produces shared good. That only happens if the conditions are right

Adam Smith was aware of the issue and believed that the benefits of markets driven by self interested parties would only accrue subject to a number of conditions. Some are worth noting here 1) rule of law 2) competition 3) public goods provided by government 4) people generally behave honestly and create trust

The point of this post is not whether Smith was right about the economy, thats a question for economists, but to introduce the wider philosophical issue.

Self interest can produce better outcomes for other social actors but there is no guarantee of that and it is only likely under conditions where there is effective regulation, constraints and shared values.

Sounds reasonable. But isn’t it the case that there’s no guarantee that any political, philosophical, or religious position will produce good outcomes? It always depends on situational factors and the people interpreting and applying it. What’s that Woody Allen gag again? “I believe in total, honest democracy. I also believe the American system can work.”

Yes if you were to push me _ I think unregulated markets and central command economies predictably produce poor outcomes. Mixed markets potentially work better but I have to admit that they still face profound economic problems.

Are conditions 3 and 4 even feasible? Egoism will always lead to the unification of capital and state power (because that is the ultimate personal gain). And the truthfulness and trustworthiness of selfish people seems like an oxymoron.

I’m not sure there’s that much to debate to be honest.
The overall success of capitalism means few people would argue that self interest never produces good social outcomes.

But the position that it always produces good social outcomes seems self evidently absurd.

So the only room for debate is in what level of regulation, state sponsorship etc is optimal. But if I’m reading the OP right, that’s off topic.

I have two questions. 1. Has the existing social system improved people’s lives, or has scientific and technological progress led to a better life? 2. Would scientific and technological progress have been possible under a different social system?

Adam Smith didn’t think that people were solely motivated by self interest. He thought like Hume, who was a close friend, that people were born with a range of dispositions and sentiments.

But nonetheless one which is occassionally fasihiionable among certain branches of philososphy

Thank you for the clarification. I’m not prepared to debate Adam Smith; I simply mistakenly believed I understood the topic correctly.

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You are welcome. Thanks for bearing with me