Poll: April Reading Group

The monthly essay reading groups around 10 years ago were quite successful. I’d like to see if the tradition can be revived. But the world has changed in the last 10 years. Are our brains now so fried by social media that we’ve forgotten how to read? Are our attention spans so stunted that we cannot get through an essay?

At least on TPF, I suspect we’ll manage. So the idea is that each month we vote for a philosophical essay/paper, and then discuss it.

Here are the options for the first reading. I’ve tried to make the list inter-disciplinary, but everything here has philosophical implications.

WARNING: Contains spoilers.

“An Answer to the Question: What Is Enlightenment?” by Immanuel Kant

Essential in understanding the modern world. Kant’s answer to the question is that enlightenment is the emergence from immaturity—the courage to use one’s own understanding without another’s guidance. It sounds simple, but what counts as genuine autonomous thought, and who decides this? The essay is a useful entry point into Kantian themes without requiring any prior acquaintance with Kant’s big books.

“The Will to Believe” by William James

James argues that in certain genuine dilemmas, where evidence alone cannot decide the question, it is sometimes rational to let your will, your temperament, and your needs determine your belief. W.K. Clifford’s opposing view, that it is always wrong to believe anything on insufficient evidence, is James’s explicit target, and the debate between their positions is still going.

“On Bullshit” by Harry Frankfurt

Frankfurt makes a precise distinction between lying and bullshitting: the liar knows the truth and intentionally contradicts it, while the bullshitter is indifferent to truth altogether. That indifference, Frankfurt argues, makes bullshit a more corrosive threat to discourse than lying.

“Thick Description: Toward an Interpretive Theory of Culture” by Clifford Geertz

Geertz argues that culture is not a phenomenon to be observed and measured but a web of meaning to be interpreted, more like a text than a mechanism. One of the most cited essays in the social sciences, serving a kind of foundational methodological role with far-reaching implications for the philosophy of social science. Important for the debate about whether the social sciences can or should model themselves on natural science.

“The Death of the Author” by Roland Barthes

Short and very influential. Barthes argues that once a text is written, the author’s intentions become irrelevant; meaning is produced by the reader, not reconstructed from a biographical investigation. The essay is partly a critique of literary criticism’s cult of the author (a bit like the cult of the auteur in cinema), and partly a philosophical claim about language itself: that writing is a space where the subject dissolves. Significant in debates about meaning, intention, and understanding.

“Eliminative Materialism” by Paul Churchland (a chapter in his book, Matter and Consciousness)

Churchland argues that beliefs, desires, and intentions don’t exist—that the everyday mental vocabulary through which we explain human behaviour refers to nothing real, and will eventually be replaced by neuroscience the way phlogiston was replaced by chemistry. Optionally, participants could look at the earlier and more technical paper from 1981, “Eliminative Materialism and the Propositional Attitudes”.


If you feel like discussing any of these, vote below. You can choose two.

  • “An Answer to the Question: What Is Enlightenment?” by Immanuel Kant
  • “The Will to Believe” by William James
  • “On Bullshit” by Harry Frankfurt
  • “Thick Description” by Clifford Geertz
  • “The Death of the Author” by Roland Barthes
  • “Eliminative Materialism” by Paul Churchland
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Thanks to @Amity for goading me into doing this.

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:slight_smile: You made it happen! I love your options with their descriptions. I immediately eliminated a few. Always intrigued by writers and lying…

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This sounds great. I’m looking forward to it.

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If Barthes wins out then it will require me to confront how I look for the intention of authors.

I might as well dive into the vortex I have long resisted.

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I’ve never participated in reading groups. At least I don’t remember. So, how does this work given that we are allowed to vote for the topic?

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I’ll leave the poll going for a while and then, when the winner is clear, I’ll create a new topic for the discussion itself. Since it’s just an essay, there won’t be any need for a schedule, so it’s more of a free-for-all: those who have read it can write whatever they want about it.

Here’s the first one we did, in 2015:

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Thanks for the link to the Oct 2015 discussion. Revealing in different ways.

First, I have to say that it ain’t ‘just an essay’ - it’s a TPF Reading Group (Philosophy) essay.
(I wonder if the TPF RG’s could include Literature).

We might not need a group schedule but I will need to be organised in my reading.

I have printed out and started making marks on my ‘favourite’. That may well not be the ‘winner’ but could be used later…

One thing I noted from the 2015 discussion (apart from its excellent posters!) was the lack of reference (links) to quotes and points made.

I think this should be easier today in the new TPF. Also links in each of the pdf options would help an early consideration. Keep us all on the same page later…

A note on time: RG Oct 2015 started on the 23rd and the discussion was pretty much over by the 31st. Towards the end, it was side-tracked. I suppose there’s nothing wrong with that. How to bring back other or include other perspectives? Perhaps it had just run its course.

Some started out hopefully, but gave up. It’s interesting to consider the reasons. Good to have a happy ending and future…

Overall, the paper seemed fairly well explored and criticised with background knowledge of concepts, comparisons and context. (Unfortunately, I can’t read it - the link doesn’t work.)

As for today, I like the flexible, organic approach but hope it won’t be a total ‘free-for-all’.

I may well start at the end. Why not? It’s where I’ll find the Conclusion, no? Or perhaps there will be a clue in the Title…

Welcome @Rabbitschasingalice :slight_smile:
Wonder: Do you ever shorten your name?

Just an essay as opposed to a book. I was referring to length.

I think a free-for-all is fine, so long as the participants have read the essay.

Let’s just relax and see how it goes.

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I plan to include Kafka and Borges in a future poll.

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Hi there. Yes, I go by Jackie.

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What does this mean?

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Edit: this reply is to @Elephant.

What does this mean, you ask. Well…
It’s part of my response to Jamal’s writing:

And

What it means to me is that there is no fixed schedule and we are free to write on whatever part/s of the essay we want. To listen and respond to others.

That is where the ‘free-for-all’ comes in. The discussion might get out of hand, off the rails. But hey, live and let live, right?

Our reading and writing styles swing. How much could depend on what pdf is chosen. The author and intentions…
Passions and elephants may run wild, I tell ya’! Stampede time?

L’éléphant est le plus grand mammifère terrestre vivant, reconnu pour sa trompe, ses défenses et son intelligence remarquable.

What do you (and others) think Jamal means?

You find your own meaning, no?
In reading, music, art and so on. Look, listen, learn *. Relax, muse a while. Sing in your own voice. Alone or in a choir of devilish angels?

I never did ask about your name? Do you ever shorten it? :thinking:

[*] from another old magazine, pre-read by older friend: History of Look and Learn
Look who’s featured in the First Issue. Did my brain-washing start early?

Lovely name. I used to read you!
Jackie in British Newspaper Archive

Rabbits chasing Alice - fascinating…

Is it OK to call you Jackie, here?

Hah! Don’t you remember? Elephants never forget :wink:
Why elephants never forget - Alex Gendler TED-Ed (5mins)

Fair enough. Actually I didn’t forget, it’s a way of saying that one didn’t join because [insert reason here] to be polite. lol. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Got it! I didn’t participate in the monthly RGs either. Before my time.
However, I’ve just taken a look at this:
Reading for August: Apprehending Human Form by Michael Thompson - The Philosophy Forum Archive

It was one from 4 suggestions put forward by members. Funnily enough, the ‘poll’ included Frankfurt’s ‘On Bullshit’!
Reading for August: poll - The Philosophy Forum Archive

So, the result was on 14th and discussion started on 16th by @Pierre-Normand .

Of interest, is the OP and @Jamal’s reply. Setting the scene and giving the reader much needed orientation.
I doubt I would be able to read the paper in 2 days.
Nevertheless, there were 34 comments before it ended on Aug 22nd.

There was a question as to having a poll. However, I think that now, the poll is attractive and easier with options decided by Jamal.
It’s been fun to see the changes in results. Even better, so far, there have been 20 voters. That’s excellent news @Jamal :slight_smile:

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In my opinion, that was a bad choice of paper and sucked the fun out of those reading groups.

Yes. Gotta go now but raises interesting questions. What makes a good choice of paper and how to make a TPF RG (Phil) enjoyable? A mix of serious analysis and informal chat?