Is existence an illusion? and Why am I me?

This is the best rationality I can muster for the burden of solipsistic ideas.

The Dirt Resolution

Is Existence an Illusion? And Why Am I Me?

  1. The Problem

Two questions can appear to be separate philosophical problems: Is everything I experience an illusion? And why am I this particular point of experience rather than another? Both arise from the same epistemic predicament. Everything I know arrives through this perspective, as this experience.

That fact gives solipsism its force. I can doubt the independent existence of an object, another person, or even the world as ordinarily conceived, but the occurrence of experience itself seems harder to remove. From there, a tempting move appears: if experience is the one thing whose existence is epistemically unavoidable, perhaps experience is what reality ultimately is.

The difficulty is that this move crosses a boundary. It moves from an epistemic claim—what I can know most immediately—to an ontological claim—what reality is made of. The certainty of my access does not by itself establish the identity of what is accessed.

  1. Epistemic identity is not ontological identity

The statement “experience is occurring” may occupy a uniquely secure position for the experiencing subject. But security from doubt and fundamentality are different properties. A window can be the only opening through which I see a landscape without thereby being the substance of the landscape.

Solipsism therefore does not eliminate the original mystery by assigning everything to experience. It relocates it. If all apparent reality is identified with my experience, I can immediately ask why this experience has these particular properties: why it contains stable regularities, resistance, surprise, memory, apparent other minds, mathematical structure, causal continuity, and events that do not conform to preference.

Calling all of this “experience” may describe the epistemic location from which it is encountered. It does not yet explain why the encountered reality has this structure. Nor does it explain why I am this epistemic location—the persistent “why am I me?” problem. The proposed answer has inherited the questions it was supposed to terminate.

  1. The hidden demand

A deeper assumption is operating underneath the dissatisfaction. We expect a satisfactory answer to point beneath the thing being explained. Dirt behaves as it does because of its composition. Its composition is explained through chemistry. Chemistry is explained through molecular and atomic behavior. Atomic behavior can be pursued into deeper physical structure. Explanation repeatedly succeeds by relating one level or configuration of reality to another.

This creates an intuition that the process ought to continue without remainder. Whatever we reach, we can ask why it is that way. If another layer is discovered, we ask why that layer exists and behaves as it does. A final reality can therefore seem intellectually defective merely because no further thing stands beneath it.

  1. Dirt

The mundane case of dirt makes the problem easier to see because it removes the emotional and metaphysical weight of the question.

Take a patch of dirt. We can ask why it has its color, texture, density, fertility, or response to water. Those questions can be answered by examining its constituents and their interactions. We can then ask why those constituents have their properties, and continue downward through increasingly fundamental descriptions.

Now imagine that the investigation succeeds completely. Every derivative property has been traced to the most primitive structure reality possesses. At that point we can still form the sentence, “Why does that primitive structure have those properties?” But the grammatical availability of the question does not guarantee the existence of another explanatory layer.

If we have actually reached what is fundamental, there is nothing more fundamental available to do the explaining. The answer has changed category. It is no longer “because of the thing beneath it.” It is, finally, because this is a property of reality itself.

-Because, reality.-

This sounds unsatisfying when aimed directly at existence. Applied to dirt, however, it becomes strangely ordinary. We do not expect dirt to contain an infinite regress of increasingly deeper reasons in order for its properties to be real. We expect its local properties to terminate eventually in whatever properties reality fundamentally has.

The analogy matters because dirt and the metaphysical problem cannot legitimately be given different rules merely because one feels profound. If explanation of an ordinary object may terminate in reality, then reality itself cannot be required to terminate in something beyond reality without an additional argument.

  1. The Dirt Resolution

This isn’t aimed to be proof that solipsism is false. Instead, the resolution removes a reason for needing solipsism to be the answer. The fact that experience is epistemically primary for me does not require experience to be ontologically primary in reality.

Once those propositions are separated, reality no longer needs to be given the identity of the epistemic interface through which it is encountered. Experience may be a feature, expression, relation, or configuration of reality without being the thing whose existence explains reality itself.

6.“Why am I me?” My inability to occupy another epistemic identity does not imply that this identity must contain a further metaphysical reason. One does not fester about why this patch of dirt is “here” rather than “there;” likewise, “why am I me instead of you” shares an objective foundation. There may be causal and structural explanations for the formation of this organism, this mind, this continuity of memory, and this perspective. Those are legitimate investigations. But after every derivative fact has been explained, the demand that there must additionally be a reason why reality is instantiated as precisely this total reality—including this perspective—may again be demanding something beneath the fundamental.

Solipsism remains logically difficult to disprove from inside experience. But its logical invulnerability does not imply existential privilege, and epistemic immediacy does not imply ontological identity. The world need not be proven from outside before it is rational to investigate it as reality.

Welcome to the forum. Nice essay.

I agree we are lumps of dirt, which resolves the second conundrum; which arises from thinking we have a second identity of soul or personhood, that somehow chose a particular lump.

Regarding your skeptical worries: have you arrived at atomism? What if there’s no such bottom layer?

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My view on solipsism has changed.

In the past I saw it as possible – no-one has a defeater for it – and we just have to behave as if it is false as a practical matter. Because we feel cold, hunger, pain etc and taking this reality at face value we can take actions to solve or reduce these negative experiences. And also of course, merely the knowledge that reality is a dream / simulation / whatever wouldn’t in itself tell us anything of what actions to take.

All this is still true IMO, but I go a bit further now: I don’t think solipsism is the most parsimonious explanation. Ergo it should be rejected, until evidence is provided.
What I mean by this is: I think it’s wrong to see solipsism as “simpler” than an external universe simply because it has less physical “stuff”.
When we’re looking at which hypotheses are simpler, we’re not looking at stuff, we’re concerned with entities (which are broadly defined – it is not necessarily physical things) and explanatory power.
I have no evidence at this time that my mind is capable of producing the (apparent) other minds’ contributions, and rest of reality’s stimuli. Things that I encounter seem more complex than things I can imagine and often unexpected.
So the hypothesis that reality is all my dream, say, has an explanatory gap it needs to clear, and that’s going to involve positing entities – it doesn’t matter if those “entities” are abstract or spiritual or hidden abilities or stuff like that, it’s still extra entities tacked on to the hypothesis that we have no clear evidence of right now.

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Yes, the thing about solipsism is that it can’t be refuted/disproved. Thus, logically, if it is plausible/possible, and it cannot be disproved, then it must retain its status: it is and remains a possibility. It could be true, even though we all tell ourselves, in defiance of this logic, that it isn’t really true at all, outside of philosophical discussions.

And that is the trap. If you apply logic (and reason, of course) then you must abide by its results. Solipsism, brain-in-a-vat, we-live-in-a-simulation, etc, are all possible. And we cannot even judge their likelihood of correctness, lacking the data that might allow us to do so. It is also possible that Objective Reality is that which our senses feed to us, within their limits. But can we say that the latter is more or less likely than any of the other possibilities? No, we can’t.

< rant over > :wink:

The only illusion happening I can think of, is how a vessel conceals within it a spirit(the primal experiencer, ‘I’).

What’s actually happening with humans of whom we co-exist, is a personal, private experience; one which converts to a physical sense-bot in others sense-data. This is a literal illusion, I’m not just naming it- this is evident.

It looks like you are applying Occam’s Razor, that well-known rule of thumb, as if it had sufficient authority to allow or enable the decisions you describe here. It doesn’t.

If one or all explanations of reality are POSSIBLE, then that’s what they are. You have no logically-conclusive method or technique that can prove otherwise. If you did, these discussions would not have been happening over the past few thousand (?) generations, would they? :wink:

Yes it’s Occam’s logic, but I wasn’t claiming that it means solipsism has been falsified (and Occam’s never falsifies anything).
Hence why I added “…until evidence is provided”.

All I am saying is that solipsism requires positing extra entities that we don’t have evidence for. It’s not the most parsimonious explanation, contrary to popular belief.

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Not sure if you’re committed to the conversation, not having responded to anybody after most of a day already. Regardless…

Depends on what you mean by ‘illusion’.
Is your experience false, like BiV where lies are fed to you? Probably not, so not illusory.
Is your experience of X not how X really is in itself? Probably so, but direct realists would disagree.

This seems to presume that there is an experiencer separate from the being which is being experienced. If this is your presumption, sure, the question needs to be answered. If not, the question needs to be reworded. @bongofury (and I think @Garon) also posted this observation.

Take dirt: Why is a clump of dirt that particular clump of dirt? Why isn’t it a different clump of dirt, or perhaps a stick, or a shadow? Does the question make sense?

I’ll agree with that. The two are often confused. Glad to see you’re not one of them.

As for solipsism, yea, you’re not going to disprove that. At best, one can dismiss it as low probability, but such is not always the case given certain theories, a fact that renders the theory unjustifiable.

It’s not necessarily simpler. Something has to be feeding the experience, providing supposed knowledge that does not come from yourself. That’s a wicked complication that the alternative avoids.

No, but believe it is my main goal in life. I honestly dont imagine it is much different from what we know. I imagine its a more precise form of the periodic table; one which leaves no stone unturned. But all this dwelling lately is showing me that I need to formulate the questions more accurately rather than mislabeling intense feelings. So I focus a lot on staying open to new interpretations of persistent issues.

Exactly. That’s quite a bit more intimate with the issue than my consideration. And yea, I think it’s certainly not simpler, but complicates the issues by just another step. Even such an entity would also apparently experience the same physics as what we experience. So even if it’s true(and one could never prove it isn’t until perhaps death) then the consideration of it is actually purely an imposition; an added burden, most likely serving only as an interference with the considerable functionalities of life.

Well said! It all sounds a lot like attempting to multiply 0 by infinity or something…something like a local comparison to an overall comparison. Its just not a technically determinable value.

For the first statement you made, the image you’re producing just makes me see the electro-chemical instantiation process; a constant reconstruction for surroundings in a compressed, integrative process.

I don’t necessarily understand what you mean by the second paragraph. Are you giving a promotion to solipsism? Or are you just describing how a human feels about the things around them?

One way to approach the matter is to ask if we start from a “me” or if it is a territory granted by something that is “not” me.

But if you are capable of asking that question then answering it negates the original premise.

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I just joined, I honestly wasn’t expecting anyone to reply and I’ve been busy with software.

But no, I think the first part is a little bit too literal for what I mean. I’m asking more “is my epistemic identity the center of everything, creating all stimuli around me as I go?” Of course it seems like a ridiculous notion when you put words to it respecting the person that has lived a separate life of experience, but that notion alone does not refute the “illusion” idea. Therefore if you want to be most correct, you must accept things for what they are rather than what you believe they are; and in this case, its a non-disprovable notion(from my perspective, nothing more, nothing less. It’s simply a philosophy and offers me nothing more settled than that).

And yea, I just consider the ideas, I don’t put more stock into them than trying to pin them down.

Yea I’m not sure an answer is correct more than a reworking of the domain itself would be the correct thing to do, in order to really peg down that existential set of feelings that seem to bleed together when youre not paying attention.

Have you read Wittgenstein?

I haven’t, unfortunately. I mostly just used the internet to try to learn about the questions I’ve had over time. That may have involved people talking about his ideas, but I haven’t read a lot directly. Reading books is rough for me because of my attention span.

You present your theses in a confident manner. Like someone who has studied.

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@Ronnietowe

I’ll provide a pragmatic response although i’m tempted to provide a nihilism one for fun.

To many, life isn’t just an abstract, it is a trap of staring at cave shadows. In traditions like Mahayana Buddhism (the bodhisattva) or Plato’s Allegory of the Cave, the individual who breaks through the illusion has an ethical responsibility to return and help others navigate their way out of suffering.

Philosophical inquiry into identity and illusion serves a real purpose because historically, reverse engineering our way past immediate appearances is precisely what yields scientific breakthroughs (e.g., germ theory over miasma, or quantum physics over classical mechanics). If there is another layer beneath the “dirt” remains a pragmatically justified driver of progress for many of us.

When it comes to our understanding of the mind or brain, as seen in neuroscience, we lack a complete account of how physical substrates yield identity. Much like explaining national borders to an extraterrestrial, who doesn’t understand social constructs, we must distinguish between physical floors and human imagination. Skepticism toward current explanatory limits is not irrational; it is a reality check for many of us. (Except the ones who choose to be in the cave of course. Hope that helps.)

I like that. From my perspective, I don’t know that I would call it skeptical to believe there is some answer that differs from what’s currently accepted by the majority, mostly just because it almost seems obvious that the potential resolution of existence hasn’t peaked for our culture. I get the feeling there is a peak, and that it is inversely proportional to mystery.