Is Every Personal Interest Egoism?

In discussions about human behavior, I have repeatedly encountered the view that if a person acts in their own interests, this is already egoism.

At first glance, this seems logical. But is every personal interest really something that should automatically be called egoism?

A person wakes up, has breakfast, goes to work, earns money to support themselves and their family, rests after work, reads, exercises, meets friends, and takes an interest in art, science, religion, or philosophy.

All of these activities are carried out in their own personal interests. But if, in doing so, they do not harm others or pursue their interests at the expense of others, is there any reason to call such behavior egoistic?

It is precisely here, in my opinion, that an important confusion arises.

Personal interest and egoism are not the same thing.

For the purposes of this discussion, I propose to understandegoismas behavior in which a person places their own interests above the interests of others and satisfies those interests at the expense of other people or society.

Moreover, this is approximately how egoism is usually defined in encyclopedic sources:

ā€œEgoism (from the Latinego, meaning ā€˜I’) is a value orientation in which one’s own interests, needs, and benefit are placed above everything else while disregarding the interests of others. It is a pattern of behavior in which a person acts exclusively for their own benefit, often using other people as a means of achieving their own goals.ā€

To better understand the relationships between different forms of egoism, altruism, and other types of behavior, I propose considering several behavioral patterns. They are illustrated, approximately and only schematically, in the following graph

The graph that accompanies this discussion could not be inserted because of a technical problem with the forum editor. The same graph can be seen in my earlier topic in the Ethics section. If I manage to resolve the technical issue, I will add it to this discussion later.

In this discussion, I will use the following definitions of behavioral types.

The first type is aggressive egoism (the red zone).

This is a situation in which a person seeks to satisfy their own interests above all else, regardless of how this affects other people. Whenever their interests conflict with those of others, they try to achieve their goals at the expense of others.

The second type is rational egoism (the yellow zone).

Such a person also places their own interests first but understands that they live among other people and that life is better when relationships are based on cooperation. They are capable of seeking compromises, reaching agreements, making reasonable concessions, and sometimes helping others, provided that doing so does not require excessive self-sacrifice.

The third type is altruism (the green zone).

Like everyone else, an altruist has natural personal needs and interests and seeks to satisfy them. However, when a conflict arises between their own interests and the interests of other people or society, they usually—or almost always—are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the benefit of others or for the common good.

In addition, such a person may voluntarily engage in charitable activities, sacrificing their own time, effort, money, or other resources.

The transition zones between the colors represent people whose motivations are mixed and whose behavior may vary depending on the circumstances.

The red and yellow zones together constitute the majority.

Of course, the graph does not claim statistical accuracy. Rather, the proportions shown reflect my own view of a general pattern in human motivation, which I formulate as follows:

ā€œMost people, in most situations, are guided by their personal interests and personal benefit.ā€

Bypersonal interest, I mean all the needs, desires, goals, dreams, and aspirations that a person considers personally significant and for which they act.

Such interests may be material or non-material: physical, emotional, intellectual, creative, aesthetic, spiritual, and so on.

I have called this principle theLaw of Personal Interest (LPI). I have referred to it several times on this forum and promised to provide a more detailed justification in a separate discussion. That discussion has already been published in this category under the titleā€œA Study of the Role of Personal Interest in Human Life.ā€

Note.The formulation of the LPI also allows for:

  • situations in which people are guided by considerations other than personal interest;

  • people who are often, or even predominantly, guided by other considerations.

However, in my opinion, both of these represent a minority.

It is also worth mentioning another fairly common fourth situation.

This is when a person acts in their own interests, but those interests do not conflict with anyone else’s. They work, rest, study, pursue hobbies, communicate, develop themselves, seek comfort, enjoyment, knowledge, beauty, or meaning in life.

Here, there is indeed a personal interest. But if people’s interests either do not intersect at all, or intersect without coming into conflict, then, in my opinion, it is inappropriate to speak of either egoism or altruism.

This is because both egoism and altruism concern a person’s attitude toward other peoplewhen their interests are in conflict.

That is why I believe that not every form of behavior motivated by personal interest should automatically be called egoism.

I have repeatedly observed philosophical discussions in which such ordinary actions were described as ā€œegoisticā€ simply because they were based on personal interest.

They certainly are based on personal interest. However, the wordegoismalmost always carries a negative moral connotation and is associated with selfishness or immorality.

But is there really any justification for calling someone an egoist simply because they work, care for their family, study, relax, or pursue personal development?

In my opinion, there is not.

Now let us turn to altruism.

Here another, in my view, common confusion often arises.

Many people argue that so-called altruists, when performing charitable or selfless acts, may also be acting in their own interests—for example, to create a favorable impression on others or even in the hope of being rewarded in the afterlife.

On this basis, some conclude thatall altruistic actions are actually egoistic.

I take a different view.

I believe there is a subtle but important distinction.

In such cases, these actions may indeed be classified as egoistic, or at least as motivated by mixed motives.

However, there are also situations in which a person does good simply because they genuinely wish to do good, without any expectation of personal gain.

Even if helping others brings them inner satisfaction, I do not believe that this alone is sufficient reason to label them an egoist.

Of course, one may object:

ā€œHow can we know a person’s true motivation? From the outside, different motives may look exactly the same.ā€

That is true.

But this is a problem for the observer, not for the person performing the action.

Our inability to know someone’s true motives does not mean that those motives do not exist, nor does it prove that genuine selfless altruism is impossible.

In formulating my principle, I donotdeny the existence of altruism.

On the contrary, I believe that genuine altruism does exist.

There are people who are truly willing to sacrifice their own interests for the sake of others, and they certainly deserve respect and gratitude.

However, I do not believe that such people constitute the majority.

In my opinion, most people are neither extreme egoists nor genuine altruists.

Rather, most belong to the category ofrational egoism: as already mentioned, they primarily care about their own interests while also being capable of taking the interests of others into account

I agree. The same type of issue pops up in all kinds of weird places e.g. in theism. I mean is god a loving father or a celestial dictator? When god allegedly acts benevolently, by answering heartfelt prayers for instance, we get these warm fuzzy feelings but when he loses his temper and transforms into a bull in some poor dude’s China shop we have second thoughts. Life’s complexity is such that, forget one man, even an entire stadium of philosophers won’t cut it.

I think that it is umhelpful to start with self interest as a baseline. People don’t have a foundation of self interest we have evolved behaviours that promote kin, in groups and niche as well as self directed goals. I have tried to illustrate this further in a post on proper function

This is not the case even as a generalisation. People have a number of different motivations and observed human behaviour demonstatss them. Watch a parent and a child and tell me that personal benefit is the default.

This is a bit confusing why do people need my gratitude for behaving naturally

No, there is no confusion. Ethical egoism is about self-interest, whether the action is mutual benefit between two parties. I think there’s a lot of bad impressions about ethical egoism, namely, that adherents perform an act to get what they want despite the harm their actions cause to others. This is not the case. This is actually the misunderstanding about ethical egoism.

Self-interest is what we have already possess in us: desires, feelings, motivation, inclination. Several philosophers support this premise. An egoist will perform an act that benefit others if that is the way he gets what he desires. An egoist knows that harming others to get what he wants will lead to a life of danger, insecurity, poor health – conditions that an egoist does not want. So, he avoids an act that ultimately does not serve his self-interest.

If you support ethical egoism, do not waste your time on the naming, rather focus on the status of the theory: is it empirically true in such a way that it is falsifiable by observing people in the real world? Can we test this theory?

The self-interest startup is actually one step level to the origin of said self-interest. Humans have passions (Hume’s catch-all word for desires, motivation, feelings). So, while it is correct here to say that the baseline for this argument shouldn’t be self-interest, it is ultimately the origin of self-interest-- feelings and desires that should be the starting point. I just told @Flying to invest some time analyzing the truth of this theory by empirical means.

Again, I think this is a misunderstanding of ethical egoism. What do you consider a ā€œpersonal gainā€? Pleasure? It does not have to mean wealth or material possession. An ethical egoist can argue that altruism, performing an act to help others, indeed has an origin to feelings. Feelings of pleasure while helping others is a self-interest state of mind. If a person feels discomfort in seeing others suffer, starve, or drown, this counts as self-interested motivation to act to remedy the situation.

This is how the ethical egoism argument makes their case. And you can review the testings done in the field of psychology regarding the brain and the heart of someone who is an altruist.

I find the topics created here in the forum as really engaging, but they need more digging deeper to get to the bottom of the argument.

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