Considering a Newborn's Sense of Self and Drive To Thrive

It quacks like a private joke. The little pleasures of life I suppose.

Okay, then it has good long cry, then it goes to sleep and processes the shock.
Then it gets up and deals with the next moments.
Then it’s back to sleep to process those moments, then it wakes up a little smarter and more aware than when it went to sleep.

Some find it totally boring. Others, who can appreciate the music going down, find it endlessly fascinating. Oh and then the connection between caregiver and infant start forming.

A very wise person once pointed out to me that families are not made by blood, they are made and bound by memories.

A lot of truth in that. At least for a humanist type.

Well let’s see, … a gazelle better be able to run for it’s life within minutes of birth. For a macho man society that ought to be a good dose of melodrama to start out with.

You make me curious?
I’ve admitted I’m no learned philosopher, but I am desperately trying to look inside the philosopher’s mindscape.

May I ask:
Does the concept of Earth’s Pageant of Evolution mean anything to a real philosopher?

If so, does it hold any relevance?

If so, can you describe its relevance?

If you can, please choose to do so.

Thank you.

Right, and that ability is at the cost of ever learning to dance? Which requires consciousness?

I guess that’s definitely wrong already, if gazelles are conscious. But then I (strictly an amateur) sometimes doubt that gazelles are conscious.

What makes you conclude that?
You think a gazelle never has a new unique situations to figure out?
You think that gazelle has no sense of self? What would you base such a conclusion on?

What do you consider consciousness?

Have you ever heard of Arthur Reber and his CBC?
That stands for the cellar basis of consciousness - he was not an amateur and is worth hearing out.

I can already heard the dismissive: it’s only “instinct” - as if that antiquated labeling explains anything - in light of actual scientific observations across the entire spectrum of the animal kingdom and beyond.

Don’t you expect some kind of trade-off? Otherwise why shouldn’t humans be similarly precocious in the basic running and jumping?

I just meant sometimes I’m prepared to doubt it. If only for the sake argument.

The fact that appearances can so often deceive? Chatbots etc?

Not sure I ever looked closely. I will though. Thanks :+1:

Because they possess a different evolved biology.
I don’t understand what you are asking for?
Why shouldn’t different animals possess different suite of skills.
As for humans, have you ever heard of **palmar grasp reflex

That doesn’t compute.

Sounds like introspection.
Is that all there is to consciousness.
What about body parts communicating with each other at various levels, how would that be classified?