**Clarifying the Concepts of Knowledge**

In science, “fact” can only mean “confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.”

So the theory of relativity, confirmed to such a(n insane) degree, is a fact? Show me a standard textbook in physics on relativity that’s titled, the fact of relativity. People are already exploring new physics since certain observations don’t jibe with Einstein’s theory, but with little success, preferring instead to posit exotic matter and energy.

There seems to be a consensus on fact vs. truth, but could this be groupthink or have we hit upon the truth? I’m not trying to reopen the case though.


Belief has been more or less well defined by the OP.

‘Knowledge’ is contextual. Scientific knowledge is different to Mythological knowledge or historical knowledge.

I think the clearest distinction we can make in terms of knowledge is abstract and concrete knowledge. Abstract knowlwdge deals with truths whereas concrete knowledge deals with norms.

Note: I would categorise tacit knowledge as a type of concrete knowledge.

That is one perspective. Before this, we can ask: ‘What is it that we need to know and why?’

That is par for the philosophy course. The shifts in terminology from everyday meaning to technical language. More confusingly within the philosophy lexicon.

In any kind of reading or understanding ‘slowing down’ can be beneficial. Care is necessary but does not always sit well with ‘slow’. We will see how well this aim is met…

When it comes to basic concepts as outlined, is it even possible or helpful to have a clear-cut definition? If that, itself, is what is being probed or explored?

First, the philosopher — or writer — making the claim is the one who needs to be clear about why they think their theory — or message — should be accepted. Or even persuade why it should be read in the first place. To what end or purpose? The overall aim made clear.

How is it different to anything else that has been ‘clarified’ better elsewhere? Slower? Or shorter?

Does that make it simple or more complex when it comes to the inevitable variety of words and their meaning?

Look at the simple word ‘valid’. Here:
What is another word for valid? | Valid Synonyms - WordHippo Thesaurus
or here, in a logic glossary: Glossary of logic - Wikipedia

Yes. All concepts are related in philosophy with meanings and definitions explored and interchanged.

Life is confusing. People want to know how to act or be. In conflicting contexts. Practical tensions arise.

Ideas like ‘justice’ and ‘rights’ evolve. They shape our laws and decision-making. In political and ethical systems.

Applied to wars — what is counted as ‘criminal’.

In particular, a military should know if they are committing illegal acts. Will the individual aggressors be judged as criminals? Locally, internationally, globally?

It depends on the definition, reasons for the act/offence, the context and the ‘law makers’ (or breakers!) and the judges (political/apolitical). Where is the clarity of sound, accurate and legal terms?

Where does morality enter the picture? Is it usually expressed in terms of religion? And extreme black-and-white views or laws.

Or do we need to know that absolute clarity is not always desirable.
There should be no tyrannical pronouncement of death to those who rebel, judging oppression to be wrong. They need no definitions of ‘truth’ because it is staring them in the face. Mad words and hateful destruction.

Yes. That is the fallacy of equivocation — a type of ambiguity that some philosophers and politicians rely on to further their argument.
Most philosophers are aware of this kind of confusion. Vigilance always required when reading ‘arguments’.

The clarification of concepts (here, of knowledge) is helpful.
It seems that you wish to clarify the ‘use’ of e.g. fact, truth, belief, etc.?

So, is the ‘use’ to be in the world of academic, argumentative philosophy alone?

Or can we not make it even simpler by using the ‘ordinary case’?

The question, then is:
“Is it true that…?” — followed by examining or exploring the content of a proposition.

This discussion already seems too heavy and wordy to be as clear as hoped for…

@j_j I am grateful to read this challenge:

I think this is inevitably linked to the religious belief of Sam.

A way of justifying Belief in the Truth as religiously proclaimed? The source or sin of scientific human knowledge?

What shapes how one thinks and acts in a non-trivial sense?

A personal, sincere and strong belief which involves more than facts but involves one’s very being, life and death.

A certain kind of ‘knowledge’ that is more than a mere philosophical ‘concept’.

Knowing an author’s spiritual belief and experience can help illuminate the work and any message. Where they are in relation to any proposed ‘map’…

I am glad to hear it ! Especially since I don’t raise the issue under the flag of irresponsible irrationalism but quite the reverse. To me it suffices to understand knowledge as warranted belief.

I love this phrase ! For some, science is the pursuit of truth, is structured around truth. For others, “truth” smacks of a premature finalization, of a “closure” of an object that is fundamentally open, because no individual “has” its totality. The concept of the object as “between us” includes my need to talk with others to find out the “other sides” of it.

1 Like

Theories are not facts, they explain facts. The theory of relativity is not a fact, but it is a fact that, as moving bodies approach the speed of light, time slows down as measured by someone at relative rest.

Perfect. And I’ll say again, ordinarily my point would be an annoying quibble. But I only raise it because your project here is to get as much conceptual clarity as possible for these very general, common terms. A bonus is that you can also avoid the misunderstanding that you’ve presupposed some definition from the Great Philosophical Dictionary in the Sky.

I like “The Great Philosophical Dictionary in the Sky.” :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Post 4, Justification

Some of you have asked why I haven’t begun by defining knowledge. The reason is that a definition of knowledge is only as clear as the concepts built into it. If we aren’t yet clear about truth, belief, justification, evidence, understanding, the different senses of certainty, doubt, proof, error, and defeaters, then any proposed definition of knowledge will simply bring those unclarified concepts along for the ride. So I’m deliberately moving toward knowledge rather than beginning with a definition. The point isn’t to avoid the question, but to prepare for it.

We’ve already looked at facts, truth, and belief. A belief is a way of taking something to be true, but belief alone isn’t knowledge. A belief can be sincere and false. It can be true by accident. It can be held with subjective certainty, i.e., strong conviction, and still be mistaken. So the next concept we need is justification.

Justification is what begins to separate a belief that is merely held from a belief that has proper standing. If I believe something simply because I want it to be true, that may explain why I believe it, but it doesn’t justify the belief. If I believe something because I misunderstood what I saw, or relied on a poor source, or drew a bad inference, again, we may have an explanation of my belief, but not genuine justification.

This distinction is important. Not everything that explains why someone believes something justifies the belief. A rumor may explain why someone believes a claim. Wishful thinking may explain it. Habit, fear, prejudice, loyalty, or repetition may explain it. But explanation and justification aren’t the same. Justification concerns whether the belief is connected to truth in the right kind of way.

That connection can take different forms. Sometimes a belief is justified by observation. Sometimes by memory. Sometimes by measurement, inference, testimony, comparison, or checking. In each case, the question isn’t, “Does the person believe it?” The question is whether the way the belief is formed or supported gives it a legitimate claim to truth.

This also means that justification isn’t the same as truth. A belief can have justification and still be false, though the strength of the justification matters. Weak evidence gives only weak justification. Seeing someone’s car in the driveway, by itself, may give some support for thinking the person is home, but it doesn’t strongly justify that belief. A better example would be this. Suppose I believe a meeting is scheduled for 3 p.m. because I received the calendar invitation, confirmed it by email, and no cancellation was sent. If the meeting was quietly cancelled because of a technical error, my belief may be false, but it wasn’t irrational. It had genuine support. It was connected to the truth in a responsible way, even though things turned out otherwise.

Nor is justification the same as subjective certainty (This is a common error for people everywhere). Someone may feel completely convinced and still lack justification. A person may be subjectively certain that a superstition is true, or that a rumor is accurate, or that a prejudice is warranted. But strength of conviction doesn’t by itself justify a belief. Subjective certainty tells us how firmly someone holds a belief. Justification concerns whether the belief is properly supported.

It’s also worth distinguishing justification from merely having an opinion. Of course, people are free to hold opinions, and some opinions may turn out to be true. But an opinion doesn’t become justified simply because it’s sincerely held, confidently stated, or attached to a familiar philosophical name. In this thread, I’m less interested in collecting positions than in asking what gives a belief justificatory standing.

So justification is not merely having something to say in defense of a belief. Someone can always say something. The question is whether what is said actually supports the belief, how strong that support is, whether it survives relevant checking, whether it rests on accurate background assumptions, and whether it remains standing when obvious objections or defeaters are considered.

This is why justification matters for knowledge. If knowledge were only true belief, then lucky guesses would count as knowledge. But they don’t. To know, it isn’t enough that a belief happens to land on the truth. The belief must have the right kind of support. Justification is the concept that begins to mark that difference.

The next step is evidence. Since justification often depends on evidence, we need to ask what evidence is, what it can and can’t do, and why evidence shouldn’t immediately be confused with proof.

Please clarify the misunderstanding.

What do you think this refers to?

This is a convenient segue. It also avoids other questions and challenges — so as to follow a path, apparently already mapped out in steps.

Do you even wish this to be a discussion? Are other questions a threat or not deemed significant?

I agree that some beliefs shape a person’s life in a much deeper way than ordinary factual beliefs do. A person’s religious commitments, moral outlook, sense of mortality, hopes, fears, and deepest loyalties may affect the whole direction of a life. Those aren’t trivial.

But I’d still want to address two questions.

One question is how important a belief is to the person who holds it. Another question is whether the belief counts as knowledge. A belief may be life-shaping, sincere, deeply personal, and bound up with one’s identity, but that doesn’t by itself show that it is knowledge. It shows that the belief has existential weight. That’s important, but it isn’t the same as justification.

So, when I say that many beliefs quietly shape how we think and act, I’m not denying that some beliefs do so more profoundly than others. I’m only pointing out that belief doesn’t always involve dramatic psychological intensity. Some beliefs are ordinary background beliefs. Others are central commitments. Both can guide action, but their importance to us doesn’t settle their epistemic status.

I’d also be careful with the phrase “a certain kind of knowledge.” That may be right, but we’d need to clarify what kind. Do we mean personal acquaintance, lived understanding, practical know-how, moral insight, religious conviction, or propositional knowledge? These may overlap, but they aren’t all the same. One of the aims of this thread is precisely to slow down at points like this, where a familiar word like knowledge can shift from one use to another.

I agree that knowing something about an author’s spiritual belief and experience can illuminate the work. It may help us understand what the author is doing, what matters to them, and what kind of vision informs the text. But that belongs first to interpretation. It doesn’t automatically settle whether the author’s beliefs are true, justified, or known.

So I don’t want to reduce knowledge to a mere abstract concept. But I also don’t want to move too quickly from depth, sincerity, or existential importance to knowledge. A belief can matter deeply without yet being knowledge. The question is what else has to be in place for that belief to have epistemic standing.

It’s a joke silly. Don’t you see the smiley face?

It may appear to be a ‘joke’ but the addition of a ‘smiley face’ does not make it amusing or funny, ‘silly’. :slight_smile:
Why is it funny to you?

It is helpful to know background as a way of judging an author’s theory or understanding of concepts.

You still avoid questions or issues posed, such as this:

To be more direct. Why do you hide your religious position?

Why would you think I’m religious? I’m not. Because someone thinks consciousness is base reality doesn’t make them religious. This is an example of people not paying adequate attention to arguments.

This probably explains some of your sarcasm.

1 Like

What do you mean by ‘religious’?

What is another word for religious? | Religious Synonyms - WordHippo Thesaurus

I mean you appear to hold an ideological or spiritually-oriented set of beliefs. As per your Dedication in your book:

From to Knowledge: Evaluating Near-Death Experiences: Naccarato, Samuel: 9798273147065: Amazon.com: Books

You life view appears informed or transformed by your time and tutor at Geneva College, 1978 onwards:

The Philosophy program at Geneva College seeks to engage the historic philosophical conversation, hone critical skills and passions, cultivate wisdom for service and for living, in submission to Jesus Christ, the Truth.

Geneva College offers students the opportunity to cultivate the philosophical life essential to humanness and to professional excellence in all walks of life. Our program also equips its majors for graduate study and a lifetime of professional philosophical service to the world and the church.

As to the rest of your post:

If directed at me, this speaks more about you and your rhetorical skills. Your mis-reading and misrepresentation is evidence of untruth.

So what?
For me, this indicates a biased unreliability. But I could be wrong…

1 Like

Hello, I’m newish to philosophy. My question to OP is this: Are there branches within philosophy itself that uses these words differently? So far you have established “fact”, “truth”, “belief”, and “justification”, but have not explored how they are used in the different branches. Is this because you are saying that these words are how philosophy in general uses them, as opposed to, for example, epistemology or metaphysics or aesthetics?

Regardless of that, the goal of your project seems to be descriptive. But your posts consistently make it seem as though you are normatively asserting definitions. Sometimes I will read your posts and think, “Well, here’s a counterpoint,” only to remember that you are not asserting anything other than a description of the language game. This was already brought up previously, so I point to it again as a reminder for you:

Also, couldn’t I get these definitions from an introductory philosophy textbook or something? As we know from Thomas Kuhn, textbooks function to reflect the current paradigm, which is exactly what you are trying to do. You want to “clarify” how words are used in philosophy so that communication is clearer and less confused, which is just another word for training the beginner scientist (philosopher in this case) to get acquainted with the paradigm.

I think this reply moves away from the argument and into personal insinuation.

When I said I’m not religious, I meant that I don’t presently adhere to a religion, religious doctrine, church authority, or institutional religious practice. I did consider myself a Christian for many years, including during my earlier years on Ephilosopher (around 2005). My views changed through research and study, especially around 2011. So there’s nothing hidden here.

You mention Geneva College. Yes, I attended Geneva College from 1978 to 1981. But attending a Christian college decades ago doesn’t establish that I presently hold Christian beliefs. You also mention my book, whose title is From Testimony to Knowledge: Evaluating Near-Death Experiences. But investigating NDE testimony isn’t the same as holding religious doctrine. The book is concerned with testimony, evidence, justification, and knowledge.

I’ve also written at length on why I think the resurrection of Christ is based on very little evidence and isn’t worthy of belief. So if the suggestion is that I’m smuggling in a Christian framework, that doesn’t fit my actual position.

But more importantly, none of this addresses the conceptual point. The question in this thread is whether distinctions such as belief versus knowledge, subjective certainty versus epistemic certainty, and existential importance versus justification are clear and defensible. Those distinctions don’t become false because of my biography, former beliefs, education, or book topic.

If you think I’ve misread you, then clarify the point. But moving from an alleged misreading to “biased unreliability” is a personal judgment, not an argument. It doesn’t advance the discussion.

So, I’ll put the distinction clearly. If by religious you mean presently committed to a religion, then I’m not religious. If you mean having once been religious, having studied at a Christian college, or being interested in questions about consciousness, then that’s a different use of the word.