What is stupidity?

Hi I am new to this site so I hope this is the right category to post this in.
My question is pretty self explanatory, what is stupidity?

I have had this question in mind ever since I started to wonder about my own inteligence. To figure out if I am stupid or not I needed to know what is inteligence but everyone i asked has a diffrent view of what is inteligence, what is stupidity and none of them realy matched. I suppose you could say that makes inteligence subjective but is that true? People call others stupid or smart on seemingly disconected variables, usually when you call someone stupid you do that because they did or said something you disagree with. I am not just talking about worldviews but even the most simple things like doing something the way you think is wrong.

I am going to stop on this for now as I think this illustrates my question well enough.

Thanks in advance for your comments and opinions on the topic

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Some people have intellectual disabilities, they may struggle to follow simple inferences. Calling them stupid would be abusive and disrespectful. We’re generally more comfortable using the word to describe people we disagree with.

There are many uses of the word stupid, some of them are no doubt wrong, mistaken, rhetorical and perhaps even stupid…

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The OED HT gives us numerous species of “lack of understanding”:

imperfect perception (70 terms)
lack of reason, irrationality (115 terms)
stupidity, dullness of intellect (559 terms)
__clumsy stupidity, oafishness (18 terms)
foolishness, folly (767 terms)
__giddiness, empty-headedness (116 terms)
__childish folly, childishness (50 terms)
__besottedness, infatuation (47 terms)
__absurdity, incongruity (161 terms)
lack of intellectual sophistication (53 terms)
confusion, muddle-headedness (63 terms)

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It takes intelligence to be really stupid. Some of the most stupid things in human history (e.g. genocide, war, corruption) are orchestrated and maintained by sufficiently intelligent people. Without some ingenious side men, none of the worst tyrants and mass murderers could have done what they did.

Lots of modern and contemporary architecture is based on intellectual disasters, where smart guys have been “redefining” the subject matter with ingenious but unwarranted theories or ideologies. Whole cities and regions are designed by people who are very good at defending and maintaining bad ideas, even fundamental misunderstandings of the subject matter.

My point here is not to discuss these, but to show that stupidity is not the opposite of intelligence. The most stupid people are in fact very intelligent. Perhaps wisdom is more counter stupidity?

Philosophy is the love of wisdom. But also philosophy is replete with intellectual disasters (e.g. dualism).

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Stupidity probably a when a person misunderstands what nature is. Maybe when irrationally is expressed in action. Ignorance too of accepting different points of view.

Also arrogance combined with ignorance I see it almost everyday

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When I use the word I tend to be referring to an attitude of intellectual insensitivity, a lack of curiosity, or a refusal to change one’s position. This is in line with the sense of numbness that is part of its etymology.

The etymology can also imply dullness, that is, a lack of incisiveness. Like a blunt knife.

In neither case is it necessarily a matter of an innate lack of intellectual ability.

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Lack of intelligence.

There’s a serious use of ‘stupidity’, such as one not building intellect in all areas, so one’s brain is more focused on one or a few areas, with greater proficiency.

The term ‘stupidity’ is not a simple renunciation of intellect.

The word stupid can be used in so many ways, but if you’re talking about raw intellect, I think it has to do with fewer or slower connections.

We’re all made differently. Some we call slow-witted and some quick-witted. I often watch for a person’s willingness to engage or perform humor.

Disregarding the fact that some people have mental conditions that limit their ability to process reality in the same ways as others, even on the other side of the spectrum where some are so intelligent that they have problems interfacing with society as their perception is very different—I would say that stupidity has more to do with ignorance than cognitive abilities.

Someone who’s not very able to logically deduce a solution to a problem or understand complexities in the same way as others—but who is able to know this about themselves, know their limits, and ask questions more than state conclusions (within a lacking understanding), is not someone I would call stupid.

This way of handling information, problems, complexities, and existence usually makes them able to operate within levels of intellectualism that they, by the measure of only their raw processing power in their brain, shouldn’t be able to. Because they are only operating slower, not worse. And if they know this and are patient with themselves being slower, they display a wisdom in the end that more or less trumps that of someone with faster brain power but who is more ignorant.

Stupidity then, is rather when someone ignores their own biases and shortcomings. Who are unable to see the flaws of their reasoning, who ignore when someone pokes holes in their arguments. Someone who is so sure of their conclusions and who ignores everything going against it.

Therefore, stupidity has nothing to do with intelligence. You can have the traditional view of the stupid person being someone of low brain processing speed and power, and at the same time being ignorant. That is the archetype of a stupid person; an example of this is the regular MAGA person being interviewed and ridiculed on their total lack of insight into their own flawed reasoning for what they stand for or observe in the world.

But you also find these stupid people at the top of the intelligence chain. A good example here is Jordan Peterson, who is undoubtedly an intelligent person when it comes to raw brain power, but who is so unable to see the flaws in his reasoning, or understand the objections to his argument, that he displays utter stupidity whenever he talks about anything.

So, if someone worries about themselves being stupid or not, I would say that’s a sign they’re not. As long as that worry comes in the form of an intuition of their own shortcomings, biases, and an ability to be open to new perspectives that helps shape their wisdom in the long run.

Stupidity is being closed and shut-in; intelligence is being open to many perspectives and aware of your own shortcomings. Wisdom is always operating in a fine-tuned method of approach to anything, able to always incorporate the self-awareness and understanding of one’s own approach and operation when dealing with a problem, question, or complexity.

Hi! while I agree that all of those heinous acts do require a certain level of inteligence I cant say that the actions were necessarily stupid. They certainly were not moral but were they not inteligently planned and executed? . For example I dont think that someone like Adolf Hitler could possibly create the third reich, and convince most of germany of his cause without being somewhat inteligent. Now the question becomes is morality tied to inteligence? And if so is the stupid person the one who does wrong things? You said though that wisdom is the opposite of stupidy not inteligence. Your idea of stupidity therefore would be immorality and wisdom would be morality.

I have much more questions now and I am a little bit more confused than before and i dont know if what I just said makes any sense at all

I don’t know that guy, but I would be inclined to describe this as a frantic embrace of (one’s own) knowledge. A problem of certainty run amok.

All animals are trying to figure out the world. Some of us are seduced by the pleasure of believing ourselves to have found it.

We know it when we see it. Trump attacking Iran with the strategy of “We’re going to bomb you into the stone age unless you surrender and do as I tell you” was absolute stupidity. The moment he did this it was obvious to me, and to anybody else with a reasonable knowledge of political reality and military history, that all Iran had to do to “win” was to refuse to surrender. A ground invasion was never a credible option.

This is not a case of “being wise after the fact”. No hindsight was required.

“stupid” is subjective terminology, subjectivity is explained with the logic that the spirit chooses, and the spirit is identified with a chosen opinion.

Someone chooses to write something, then the spirit in which the decisions were made can be identified as stupid, with a chosen opinion.

Some objective criteria may be added to calling someone stupid, like objective criteria about how the decision-making processes are organized. So then the procedure becomes to first check if the objective criteria are met, and to then choose an opinion on the issue.

I guess some other objective criteria may be added besides organization of decision-making processes, but I guess those criteria would be more chosen subjectively.

It would result in a logic error to make the objective criteria force to a conclusion on the issue, because the logic of subjectivity requires that opinions are chosen. So it is a logic error to be forced to say someone is stupid, on account of objective criteria, same as it is a logic error to be forced to say a painting is beautiful.

But I think it is still possible to morally compel a judgment that someone is stupid, which is not the same as forcing a judgment mechanically.

I really only explained the logic of subjectivity in general here, and cannot be bothered to explain stupidity in particular.

Don’t worry you don’t need to trouble yourself to explain stupidity you have given us an excellent example of it.

I have no doubt that you reached your conclusion by choosing it, and that it applies to me as being a decision-maker, choosing to write what I did.

Intelligence (an by implication “stupidity”) is related to the capacity to integrate new information, regardless of whether you accept or reject the information in the end.

This involves how your brain processes the information. Is the information critically analyzed? Are you able to relate it to others things you know (and the more you know, the better) and pass a considered judgement on it?

Or does the information merely cause an emotional reaction without any thought given to it?

And if you are not able to integrate the information at all (“I just don’t get it.”) this may signal some stupidity.

But sometimes other barriers stand in the way of a fuller understanding of the way things really are. For example, if the only place you get your information from is Fox News, that will probably leave you stupid.

Afaik (observed), incorrigible maladaptive use of intelligence or behavior adequately describes what stupidity is. And just like a dead person, everyone except a stupid person is aware that he’s stupid. :distorted_face:

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Intelligence can be selective, short-sighted, one-sided etc. An intelligent person can understand, for example, that stealing money from the poor is wrong. But if the risk of being caught is low, and the profit is high, then s/he might choose to steal anyway and get away with it. Intelligent people can be moral nihilists.

To me it seems less likely that wise people are moral nihilists.

For example, a wise person might think that theft will sooner or later result in counter reactions, reprisals, or a horrible society that no-one wants to live in, not even the thief. Or think that we want each other to do the right thing, so doing the wrong thing would be foolish, i.e. stupid.

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To me stupidity is when we act and ignore the dictates of common sense, resulting in an error or catastrophe. That’s why many intelligent people who’ve done stupid things would recognize it and admit what they’ve done was stupid.

Stupidity has nothing to do with educational attainment, though certainly with maturity. No one calls the toddlers stupid, for they haven’t had the chance to learn the common sense.

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Intelligence has been defined as the ability to process data, learn from experience, adapt and modify options to maximize utility.

Stupidity is not something real, like a mole and it isn’t something that can’t be fixed. IQ, acknowledging its flaws, is fluid. Einstein said genius is 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration (warning: misattributed quote). My personal opinion is that everyone without exception has a hidden talent, be it solving sudoku or the ability to control one’s toes individually or the ability to understand words spoken backwards. A worthwhile pursuit in life is to find that one thing that makes one unique.

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