Philosophy and Math

Recently, one can observe a growing tendency toward a rupture between the scientific and the philosophical worldview. Even major scientists sometimes express the opinion that philosophy is useless for modern science, forgetting that the scientific approach itself was originally proposed by philosophy. In his book A Brief History of Time, Stephen Hawking writes that in the modern world physicists have advanced so far in their understanding of the nature of space and time that philosophy, which traditionally dealt with these questions, has become irrelevant. Another stereotypical view is that mathematics is an exclusively strict logical discipline and develops in a strictly sequential manner. Our task is to show that this is not the case, and to show that mathematics and philosophy have always moved together.

Philosophy is often defined as the history of ideas. Mathematics has always been part of philosophy. It is believed that Pythagoras introduced the very concept of “philosophy,” and the foundation of Pythagoras’ own philosophy was the idea that numbers are the measure of all things. Plato regarded mathematics as the only true science because of its clear determinacy, since it operates with the immutable and motionless world of ideas. An important part of Aristotle’s metaphysics also consists of abstractions that have always been associated with mathematics: the whole and its parts, sets, wholes, and continuous magnitudes.

Major mathematical breakthroughs, at their foundation, carried above all a philosophical meaning. Already in arithmetic we encounter such a philosophical concept as infinity. Aristotle, in his Physics, noted that although natural counting in mathematics correctly reflects the physical counting of objects, in the physical world the concept of infinity loses its meaning. The concept of a point, which has no size, is also a difficult philosophical problem. Although it has no physical analogue, this basic mathematical concept nevertheless correctly describes the physical world in the language of geometry.

Stefan Banach proposed the following aphorism: “A mathematician is someone who can find analogies between statements; a better mathematician is someone who can find analogies between proofs; a stronger mathematician is someone who notices analogies between theories; but one can also imagine someone who sees analogies between analogies.” In fact, this is precisely the point where mathematics merges with philosophy, because the search for “analogies between analogies” is essentially an epistemological — that is, philosophical — question.

The scholastics tried to derive the essence of the infinitely small through the famous problem of determining the number of angels on the point of a needle: something without size, yet really existing.

Descartes, through the idea of the mechanistic nature of the world, fixed it within his coordinate system and postulated the absoluteness and fundamentality of space. Leibniz, by contrast, considered space only in the context of the interaction of objects, as something that has no meaning outside their movement.

Newton’s ideas concerning the beginnings of differential calculus were apparently influenced by Masonic conceptions of God — God as the Great Architect who created the mechanism of the universe — combining, on the one hand, the mechanistic nature of the world, and on the other, the infinity of God himself, which implies the infinity and mechanistic structure of space at all levels. To demonstrate this connection more clearly, one may recall that according to scholastic beliefs the spiritual could be correlated with the infinitely small. This means that Newton’s fluxions may perhaps have been something that allowed him to mathematically formalize the spiritual principle permeating space. This hypothesis is also supported by the fact that Newton himself attached greater importance to his theological works than to physics and mathematics. In some of his theological writings, Newton discussed the idea that the motion of celestial bodies could be the result of the intervention of God or other supernatural forces.

As a counterpoint to Newton’s ideas, one can refer to Democritus, who preceded him and denied the existence of gods. Matter, in his understanding, was not infinitely divisible, but ended in atoms moving chaotically. Perhaps, had Newton held views of physics similar to those of Democritus — views closer to modern ones — he would not have proposed and developed the ideas of differential calculus and Newtonian mechanics.

The philosophy of modernity brought the concept of determinism to an absolute. A materialist view of the world absolutizes the idea of the hidden and regards the complexity of mathematics merely as a consequence of the weakness of the human brain, placing obviousness at the center of everything.

For a long time it was believed that mathematics rests solely on proofs. Philosophers of mathematics in the past, of course, did not deny the role of creativity, but they tended to attribute it to the imperfection of the human brain and of human nature. They tried to move away from it. Bertrand Russell even hoped to reconstruct the entire edifice of mathematics starting from two simple logical axioms. But with the arrival of Gödel and his incompleteness theorem, it became clear that this approach was deeply mistaken. It turned out that such algebraic systems, in which axiomatics exists, can arise only from other algebraic systems. Bertrand Russell’s goal was to derive all of mathematics from only two self-evident logical axioms. However, upon reaching its limit, this idea collapsed.

Already Russell’s student Wittgenstein proposed a philosophy in which, relying on Russell’s idea that the world described through infinite logical constructions is strictly hermetic, mathematics says nothing at all, since all its statements are identities. In essence, Wittgenstein did in philosophy what Gödel did in mathematics with his incompleteness theorem. The attempt at a logical proof of the absence of the hidden only illuminated the problem of the supra-ontological.

Mathematics is not fundamentally different from other forms of human activity. Heidegger said that in recent times our thinking has become too subordinated to language, ignoring another mode of thinking: vision. The mathematician Vavilov writes: “One cannot know mathematics, but one can be a mathematician. To be a mathematician means, first of all, to see, to possess a kind of super-vision that allows one to look through walls and over barriers — Ma chi ha gli occhi nella fronte e nella mente.”

Thus we see that being a mathematician and using mathematics are fundamentally different things. To be a mathematician means to understand mathematics as vision, whereas to use mathematics means to understand mathematics as language.

Mathematical axioms are self-evident only at first glance. Already Euclidean mathematics introduces into its foundation such a complex philosophical concept as infinity. Mathematics owes its depth and its power above all to the depth of its axiomatics. The essence of mathematics is not proof. Proofs are the language of mathematics, but not mathematics itself. True mathematics appears where a new vision and a new axiomatics appear.

At present there is a certain divergence between the philosophical and the mathematical view of the world. Kant claimed that arithmetic generates time, since temporal relations can be expressed by numbers, and that geometry generates space, since spatial relations can be expressed by geometric figures and laws. More modern views of the world suggest that neither number nor vector is fundamental; rather, symmetry and action are more fundamental. Arithmetic and geometry exist because transformations of mathematical quantities are symmetrical, and the basic level is the algebra of transformations. In this sense, arithmetic and geometry are equivalent if, in terms of group theory, they are isomorphic.

In his lecture “Mathematical Proof: Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow,” Vavilov argued the following: in new mathematical works, what matters is not the absence of mistakes, but the presence of new ideas. He gives as an example the proofs of topologists, which are based on the perception of images illustrating the topologist’s thought. These proofs are inaccessible to non-specialists and may appear insignificant to an algebraist, yet they are nevertheless accepted within the community of topology specialists. He also cites the proofs of Gauss’s theorems, in which mistakes were found only seventy years later, when mathematics had already moved forward.

In reality, the proofs that we will not write do not need to be written, because nobody will read them. Proof consists in believing something oneself — believing it strongly enough to convince others, with a clear conscience. What matters are ideas which, after developing over time, will compress everything into trivial proofs, just as Euclidean geometry has been compressed. At present, for a professional mathematician, none of the theorems of Euclidean geometry presents any problem, because it is a purely mechanical task that, with the help of a Gröbner basis, can be reduced to computer computation. All school geometry can be reduced to computations with polynomials.

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Good point. Mathematics is creative and visionary.

I am occasionally obsessed with computability theory, and there’s a cumulative “vision” that makes the proofs less important. One needs to read proofs, but proofs “share” “vision.” A proof is not so far from a poem as some may like to think.

But axiomatics, as you say, is for me like laying the groundwork of a system. It is the primary poetic act.

The main difference between philosophy and math seems to be their methodology and subject they cover.

Philosophical methodology is largely reflection, analysis and critiques on the topic aiming at the conclusions. The topic of philosophy can range anything from metaphysical abstract topics to material physics, biology topics and even ethics, actions and even how one should live.

Math is based on deduction and deductive analysis, and their application is much narrower than philosophical topics. Math cannot tell much about how you should live, or certain actions were good or bad, what is mind, what is the origin of life, or does God exist etc.

I don’t know much about math, but I do like mathematical logic for reading up the subject and thinking about the concepts at times.

You are writing more about the result of the work of a philosopher and a mathematician, about the final use of their works. I am writing about something different: about the limit of philosophical and mathematical creativity itself, about the essence of mathematical thinking, which at its foundation is precisely not logical, but rather existential.

By the way, the modern mathematical genius Perelman refused the prize purely for ethical reasons, because the co-author was not mentioned in the formulation. This also says something about the thinking of a mathematician.

This is a rather old essay. I am now writing a more fundamental chapter. I would be interested to hear how you would evaluate one of the finished fragments.

Descartes was equally great as a mathematician and as a philosopher. And although there is no explicitly documented connection, the Cartesian coordinate system and his philosophical method of radical doubt, together with the division of substances into thinking and extended substance, clearly arise from the same mode of thought.

In Descartes’s philosophy, after the act of doubt, one point of absolute certainty remains: the thinking self, the cogito. This is not merely one object among others, but the center from which the world is built anew. In mathematics, this corresponds to the origin of coordinates: the world of figures is no longer given as a qualitative whole, but is decomposed in relation to a privileged point of reference. The connection here is not literal, but ontological: both the cogito and the coordinate origin express the same gesture of modernity — to make the world readable from a center.

When I tried to find historically recorded confirmation of the similarity between his philosophical and mathematical thinking, I instead came across the legend that this idea came to him while he was observing a fly in a room.

Perhaps that is even better. It does not matter how historically reliable this story really is; it is impossible to verify. What matters here is its psychological plausibility. Important thoughts are usually lived through and later reproduced as flashes of phenomenological, intensely bodily experience. The legend of Archimedes’s sudden insight while lowering himself into a bath feels psychologically plausible precisely because of its extreme physical concreteness: the immediate bodily presence of the scientist in different media is reinterpreted, and the most literal and the most abstract suddenly converge into a single thought. In such moments, it is not only the course of thought that changes, but the very perception of space itself. Thought is experienced not as an abstract operation, but as an event that bodily reorganizes a person’s relation to the world: he begins to see differently, to notice connections and distinctions that had previously escaped him.

In the same way, Descartes’s possible experience also appears psychologically plausible: an abstract thought about a point of reference, about the center of the personal “I” from which the world is constructed, materializes in the oppressive claustrophobia of the room, in the stale air of the enclosed space, and in the irritating buzzing of an insect. This is why legends of intellectual illumination so often preserve sensory, almost everyday details: through them, what is transmitted is not an external anecdote, but the structure of the experience itself. The space around the thinker seems to change together with the thought, and the person is no longer merely thinking an idea through, but experiencing the fact that the world has begun to be ordered differently.

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When they are different in methodology and the scope of the topics, yes, their essence in thinking and creativity would be much different too.

I can see the point that some math topics require much insights, creativity and imagination as well as logical foundation and analytic skills in understanding and working with them, such as the problem of infinity, sets, calculus, irrational numbers etc.

This is an expected and widespread point of view. I am more interested in looking at it from a different angle. I am not a professional mathematician, but I do have some connection to mathematics. For me, philosophy and mathematics are deeply anthropic.

I see. Interesting. From my point of view, math was just a tool for philosophy or other sciences, when they need some calculations or proofs.

But you seem to have different ideas. I did read the OP, but it sounded more like philosophy than math, hence I thought you were talking about philosophical idea on math. But maybe it wasn’t quite the case.

I will keep monitor the thread to see what comes along.

I gave the example of Descartes above. I also have reflections on set theory, the infinitesimal, mathematical space, the structuralists and group theory, Gödel and Wittgenstein, as well as several other examples. But this is not yet finished.

Yes, but they are not math. They are mathematical logic and philosophical logic topics.

To me, math is Geometry, Algebra, Calculus and Trigonometry. Hence my first post was reflecting on them. :slight_smile:

Right. But we might add that philosophers typically assume that they can read reality as God reads it.

Mathematizable reality is “video game reality” is God’s gaze on the scrolling green source code, in which the ontotheologist can participate. There in the balcony with God, they enjoy the opera as a spectacle beneath them.

Heidegger in some very early lectures catches the spirit or attitude of this move.

When we speak of the ‘ease’ of the attitude here, we do not mean its technical carrying-out, the fulfilment of the conditions and requirements in the enactment but rather the approach to enactment itself. The situation of adapting oneself, of entering into the attitude, the attitude itself is devotion to a task, to the matter as matter. The attitude is enactment of a self-world, but precisely such a one that in it the relation is simply unconcerned about the self-world [selbstweltunbeku’mmert]. Attitude is the pushing away [Wegstellung] from the self-world. It is easy because it is absolved of the self-worldly worry, absolves itself of it, of a worry that is heavy. This ‘ease’ and ‘heaviness’ are specifically selfworldly concepts of Dasein. It is typical for contemporary life and its domination by the theoretical to pass off exactly the scientific and further matter-of-factness as the most difficult, to take the self-worldly worry lightly and to relieve oneself of it by way of being cultivated and knowledgeable, or to not take it seriously at all.

So we end up with a fetishism of knowledge that strategically evades its own motive. One “consumes” “objective reality” as a greedy eye-mouth. One thinks one is hyper-realistic even as an “external reality” is sketched in pure human abstraction, in shimmering ideality. In other words, a Pythagorean blood-less-ascetic mysticism is enjoyed as hard-boiled realism. Replacing the world of flesh-and-blood strife with a video-game is taken, strangely, as the opposite of escapism.

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To me it’s worth considering just how much The Matrix dramatically captures an almost default indirect realism that takes “true reality” to be mathematical. Typically physics is understood to tell us about “the deepest reality.” Physics looks to be expressed in mathematics. Though I’d say that this math would be nothing without the “meat” that surrounds it.

If you look at Locke and other modern philosophers who invented the idea that experience is “internal representation,” they were almost embarrassingly calling “primary” or “real” only the stuff that fit into the mathematical physics of their time. Locke treated color as a second-class quality, because physics at that time had no use for it.

There’s an irony here, because physics is respected in the first place as more than numerology because it gives us technology that gives us what we want. So the seemingly anti-anthropocentric gesture is tacitly pragmatism.

“Math describes true reality because the machine it helped create scratches my back reliably.” So the “privacy” and “quality” of an “itch” ( used here metaphorically ) turns out to be the foundation of the attitude that such itches are unreal.

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But please don’t forget that it is not math scratching your back. It is the programmed motor running the blade, and the blade which scratches your back.

Math can be useful for finding the measurements and calculated times and distances for getting to the destinations etc, but they are not the objects or world itself.

When math was applied for the handy job measuring the gate frame heights and widths, and size of the gates on the garden path, it worked great and useful.

But after the work has been done, while the gates keep working closing and opening itself for years, the applied math gets forgotten for good.

And when it comes to the critical real life missions such as predicting weekend’s lottery winning jackpot number set using the statistics or probability calculations, math has been totally ineffective.

I am even more radical. I believe that mathematics is simply a form of philosophy, if we understand philosophy as a way of thinking. Mathematical understanding arises from phenomenology, from being-in-the-world. Exactly the same as philosophical understanding.

For me, the abstraction in Hegel’s dialectic is, as a mode of thinking, very similar to any other more or less complex mathematical abstraction (for example, complex numbers and their isomorphism with matrix transformations).

If mathematical understanding arises from Being-in-the-world, would you then draw the same conclusion from this Heideggerian motif that Heidegger himself did? That mathematical logic is a derived, flattened, concealing mode of comportment toward the world?

Essentially, mathematics is a certain kind of metaphysics — an abstract analysis of reality. Heidegger, as is well known, criticized metaphysics and thought in a somewhat strange way: philosophically, yet while pretending that it wasn’t philosophy, but partly mysticism or poetry. It stemmed from a mode of thinking that was somehow above metaphysics — or at least he aspired to rise above it. First-rate mathematicians think in the same way.

His critique of mathematics was similar to Husserl’s, that it begins with abstractions or idealization that we construct to achieve pragmatic goals. These abstractions run parallel to the advent of mathematics, involving logics describing self-identical objects. Only when being is equated with constant objective presence do propositional and mathematical logic make sense.

Well, I’m not approaching the analysis of mathematics starting from Heidegger. In general, comparing philosophy with mathematics is a commonplace. It seems unfair to me when mathematics is equated with strict, objective, logical reality. I love art, but I think my favorite director Tarkovsky was wrong when he contrasted the fluidity of creativity with cold and lifeless mathematics. Perhaps this is true for ready-made mathematical metaphysics, but the very creation of mathematics is no less spiritual and ontological an act than poetry or philosophy. Mathematics, like philosophy, not only describes the world but also creates it.

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