Could the brain and body anchor consciousness rather than create it?

Seems right. Consciousness is the mental state in which a world of things appears for the one who imagines, thinks, or perceives it.

The brain creates the mental state, not the world that appears. The mental state interacts with the things that appear, and “anchors” them to the brain as memories, skills, motivations, fears and other experiences.

Isn’t it a case of misusing the word “creates”? Brain is not God, magician or artist. It doesn’t create anything. It is a bodily organ, which functions with the other parts and organs in the body.

No, do you have good reason to allude to a misuse, or find it controversial that mental states arise in the brain?

It just doesn’t sound right to say the brain creates consciousness. Creating is for making something new from nothing usually for art objects such as painting, sculpture, carvings, music or fictions by the artists or writers.

Brain is an organ in the body. On its own it cannot do anything, apart from decomposing.

Humans create things. And it is the only way using the word “create” right semantically.

Isn’t this true of almost any fragment of a human bodymind, when considered in isolation? Heart? Spleen? Foot?

Yes, they are all organs in the body. One their own, they cannot do anything, but decompsing.

Heart, spleen or foot are not known to be directly related to thinking, feeling or imagining like brain is.

But to be fully conscious, you need them all functioning properly and normally in your physical body as a human being.

If heart is missing, you will be dead. If spleen or foot is taken out, then you will be unconscious. If brain is taken out, then you will be dead too.

Consciousness is a word for being able to interact with the world and others intelligibly as a complete human being. It is not something created by the brain in the laboratory.

Only a complete human being can be conscious, nothing else can.

Ah, but: the brain is an organ in the body. On its own it cannot do anything, apart from decomposing. So it’s difficult to see how a brain can have anything to do with thinking? Surely it’s too busy preparing for decomposition? :wink:

It is easy to see how a brain have everything to do with thinking, ONLY when and while it is in the head of a living body. You can have brain scan for all the changes in the parts of the brain when stimulated for different mental activities in the lab.

Once it is taken out of the body, yes that is what it will do. Or when the body dies.

Yes, the same as a spleen, for example?

A bodymind is a whole, not a collection of independent parts, as you have already implied, correctly, IMO. But all this applies to any major organ, not just the brain. And I can’t quite see how this contributes to the discussion? Maybe that’s just me? :thinking:

It is to say, that consciousness is not something created by brain alone. Consciousness is a word describing the human mental states being able to interact with the world and others.

This idea is to point out the misuse of the word “consciousness”, and the misleading claim that consciousness is created by the organ called brain alone, which is nonsense.

Agreed, wholeheartedly.

It is certainly my opinion that the physical substrate of the human mind is more than just the brain. Perhaps much more? Maybe even external things too, like morphic resonance or collective (un)consciousness, although they’re a lot more speculative, of course.

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If we think about being conscious, it is more than property of physical matter or organs in the body. Every one has different emotional and personal characters, memories of early childhood, the way of thinking, morality, belief, ideology and preference etc.

Being consciousness is the result of the historic upbringing and life of each individual shaped by the society, environment, generation, cultural difference, and family values, which is all unique to each other.

We have the common ground of spirits or souls by the result of sharing arts, philosophy and literature or music with others, which is the major sign of us being conscious and having mental states.

We don’t have idea, or care what type of brain each one of have in our heads. We definitely don’t care how my or other’s brains function neurologically and anatomically to make us feel anxious or angry or see the paintings or when we listen to the Blues music or jazz etc.

We care what common grounds of ideology, experience or preference of music, art or philosophy we have, that we could share our own ideas and information with others.

The brain as a bodily organ is for the laboratory medics with the white gowns for finding out its anatomies. The anatomy is not an interest of any of philosophical topics I believe.

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