# A puzzle about superorganisms and primitive (and therefore modern) man **URL:** \ **Category:** Metaphysics & Epistemology\ **Created:** [April 20, 2026, 1:17pm UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752 "2026-04-20T13:17:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cef420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cef420](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Cef420)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 1:17pm UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/1 "2026-04-20T13:17:52Z")
Superorganisms are what form anytime more than 2 organisms get together to do something. They operate seemingly supernaturally doing things like directing the organisms enough to seem to survive. You know, the party has a life. If superorganisms are confirmed by science, and they are, and primitive man understood this instinctually and simply named his cities superorganism, can we concede not that sacrifice is true or that superstitions are true or that blah blah blah but that gods do exist and exist in some measure of equality to each other being superorganisms ---
**Author:** ![Moliere](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex007/user_avatar/www.thephilosophyforum.com/moliere/32/35_2.png) [@Moliere](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Moliere)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 3:36pm UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/2 "2026-04-20T15:36:35Z")
> [@Cef420](#): > > If superorganisms are confirmed by science, and they are, and primitive man understood this instinctually and simply named his cities superorganism, can we concede not that sacrifice is true or that superstitions are true or that blah blah blah but that gods do exist and exist in some measure of equality to each other being superorganisms You can conclude anything you like from anything you like. No one is stopping you. However, it may not be a good reason for someone else to adopt your belief or conceptual framing. I’d say here that we cannot conclude what you want to conclude from what you’re observing through definition. You have a concept that’s incredibly wide, and there’s no reason to think that there’s anything super- about these organisms other than to give rhetorical force to your conclusion. If primitive man named cities “superorganisms” it would give no more credence to your conclusion, either. Likewise I’d say “sacrifice” and “superstition” are unrelated to gods existing in some measure at all, much less because the gods are a superorganism. There are interesting analogues to be made between social structures and biological structures, but none of them lead to gods. ---
**Author:** ![Cef420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cef420](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Cef420)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 4:01pm UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/3 "2026-04-20T16:01:26Z")
I disagree. I agree to the first line, second line especially but not more than the first, and that’s fine. But I can see the connection. I’m going to investigate further. Thanks for being my brain buddy. Peace! Oh wait, you’re saying I’m proposing super natural things. No I am proposing degrees of the body of knowledge including non science but working ie verifiable truths are natural. I’m proposing prior to modern man these things in nature, broad aspects of it, where just labeled gods. i.e. the gods exist but they are not their names. their doings and wants can only be seen by careful eyes, of which we as in “me” but also “us” doesn’t have the full or even most of the picture. but the truth is locked away in science. and there’s a big pluside, any heaven you experience is likely a chemical cocktail responsible for the weirdness of NDEs ---
**Author:** ![Moliere](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex007/user_avatar/www.thephilosophyforum.com/moliere/32/35_2.png) [@Moliere](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Moliere)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 4:03pm UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/4 "2026-04-20T16:03:14Z")
> [@Cef420](#): > > Oh wait, you’re saying I’m proposing super natural things. Nope. I’m saying I don’t see the connection from your premises to the conclusion, though you say you see the connection from your premises to your conclusion. It’s something that intuitively makes sense to you, but it’s not something we – meaning you and I – can conclude because I don’t see the connection. It appears to me to be a non sequitur, to use a more formal category. ---
**Author:** ![Pat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8491ac/32.png) [@Pat](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Pat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 10:19pm UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/6 "2026-04-20T22:19:41Z")
> [@Cef420](#): > > Superorganisms are what form anytime more than 2 organisms get together to do something. You can also just say “cooperation” or “coordination”. > [@Cef420](#): > > If superorganisms are confirmed by science Google Michael Tomasello on shared attention and shared intentionality. It has become common in some circles to say that our capacity for shared intentionality, which enables cooperative action, is our superpower. ---
**Author:** ![Scorpion](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex007/user_avatar/www.thephilosophyforum.com/scorpion/32/875_2.png) [@Scorpion](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Scorpion)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2026, 11:11am UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/7 "2026-04-29T11:11:16Z")
Bees are superorganisms and so are ants, at least according to some Youtube videos. Yes, cities, but not necessarily cities, even small towns, can be treated as superorganisms. There is an interesting relationship between size and superorganisms. Smaller the organism, greater it is as a superorganism. Whales have their own little thing going on though - swimming, hunting, mating in pods. For monotheism the concept is moot. ---
**Author:** ![Cef420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cef420](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Cef420)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2026, 11:52am UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/8 "2026-04-29T11:52:31Z")
yes, it proves hods are a real thing ---
**Author:** ![Scorpion](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex007/user_avatar/www.thephilosophyforum.com/scorpion/32/875_2.png) [@Scorpion](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Scorpion)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2026, 12:05pm UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/9 "2026-04-29T12:05:14Z")
What’s “hods”? hum or don’t sing 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Cef420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cef420](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Cef420)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2026, 11:51am UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/10 "2026-06-11T11:51:12Z")
what if my beliefs are based in aged and working science? ---
**Author:** ![Moliere](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex007/user_avatar/www.thephilosophyforum.com/moliere/32/35_2.png) [@Moliere](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Moliere)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 1:49am UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/11 "2026-06-12T01:49:46Z")
I feel exactly the same. So, “No”. ---
**Author:** ![Cef420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cef420](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/u/Cef420)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 6:13pm UTC](https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/a-puzzle-about-superorganisms-and-primitive-and-therefore-modern-man/752/12 "2026-06-12T18:13:17Z")
then you are anti science because you don’t believe in science